Am I expecting too much from a $20 Vantage Select? Brand new defects - lots of pics!

Guys, I'm not really sure there is a line in the sand here. Its a lot about context, the use of store names to increase or direct sales is the prime wrong. I think you stand on the line in the sand to say I got a good deal on Vantage at the Walmart in Memphis. If I was a moderator It would be OK to say , Everyone might want to check at their local Big Box store for clearances. But, by the details of the rules even that might be wrong. If someone experiences cheating or crooked service then saying it without naming names. Such as the knife store in downtown Cheyenne, WY treated me poorly might get by. All I can give here is opinion. Read the rules and work up to that line in the sand.....300
 
OK. Okay. Let me flush out my headgear.

Over 1,000 posts and even I am able to follow the link I posted to The Good, The Bad and the Ugly thread in the Exchange Forum. It is obvious when someone hasn't even bothered to visit there.

A Buck user comes to this forum, displaying great photos for proof, with a problem and now is not the time for dithering. And, a day later nothing has changed and some are still complicit with the problem, vendor possibly acting badly, while some wax on about things they blithfully remain ignorant of. The expression "I've fallen and can't get up," helplessness comes to mind (cue the Neil Young song). Perhaps some relish being a part of the problem. It appears that some don't want the facts to be discussed out in the open. Are you associated with the vendor in question?

Why not join the team and come in for the big win? It is entirely encumbent upon the OP whether or not they want to post transaction information to the appropriate venue in order to begin a discussion of the facts. At the very least please consider getting out of the way.

If the OP has provided the UPC to Buck then Buck probably already knows who the vendor is and the item's chain of custody from manufacturer to end user.

Question: Is there a pattern of ethical misconduct by the vendor? Who can vouch for the seller? Was the folder advertised as a blem? Is that advertisement available for inspection (if it was bot from an online auction the original ad might still be available in order to see if "blem" verbage was part of it).

It is work attempting to get answers. Earn it...
 
Explain to me how I am getting in the way of anything.

Actually. Don't explain. It's silly.

Your issue is with the OP. It's his story to tell or not tell. Take it up with him.
 
oregon said:
OK. Okay. Let me flush out my headgear.

Over 1,000 posts and even I am able to follow the link I posted to The Good, The Bad and the Ugly thread in the Exchange Forum. It is obvious when someone hasn't even bothered to visit there.

A Buck user comes to this forum, displaying great photos for proof, with a problem and now is not the time for dithering. And, a day later nothing has changed and some are still complicit with the problem, vendor possibly acting badly, while some wax on about things they blithfully remain ignorant of. The expression "I've fallen and can't get up," helplessness comes to mind (cue the Neil Young song). Perhaps some relish being a part of the problem. It appears that some don't want the facts to be discussed out in the open. Are you associated with the vendor in question?

Why not join the team and come in for the big win? It is entirely encumbent upon the OP whether or not they want to post transaction information to the appropriate venue in order to begin a discussion of the facts. At the very least please consider getting out of the way.

If the OP has provided the UPC to Buck then Buck probably already knows who the vendor is and the item's chain of custody from manufacturer to end user.

Question: Is there a pattern of ethical misconduct by the vendor? Who can vouch for the seller? Was the folder advertised as a blem? Is that advertisement available for inspection (if it was bot from an online auction the original ad might still be available in order to see if "blem" verbage was part of it).

It is work attempting to get answers. Earn it...
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Yikes :(

I would gladly post the ebay seller's name and even the auction ID# if I knew it wasn't against the rules. I have no problem with this, and nothing to hide.

I have taken the issue up with Jeff at Buck who is going above & beyond what is "good" service in my opinion so I am a happy customer. I have provided Jeff the ebay information, pictures of the UPC code, seller and auction ID#, and even enclosed the sales receipt/packing slip with my return to Buck. The item was listed as "brand new" and described as "brand new" in the item description.

I really didn't intend to stir up any drama and was just looking for an avenue to blow off some steam.
 
Um, op has posted quote from vendor offering to send paid ups lable and a refund or replacement.
 
Just a quick update, I got my replacement yesterday from Jeff at Buck.

While it is not perfect, it's in a lot better condition than my original.

The blade has some scuffs on it, and the tip is lopsided both on the grind, and the width - but it's good enough at this point. The Select will be a user, and not a collector piece so I can live with this.

All in all, this will be the last Buck I purchase online. If I can't see it and feel it in person than Im not going to spend money on it. I bought a Kershaw Cryo online 2 weeks ago for just a couple dollars more than the Vantage Select and it's flawless.

With that being said, some time this coming week I hope to get over to a local store that sells the small Vantage Pro and check it out. If the fit & finish is good I'll likely buy it. I do love so much about the small vantage, but the cheapy Select leaves me wanting a more nicer, refined piece.

Pics of my replacement:

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Now I would say your being nit picky about a $20 dollar knife. I don't think there's a man alive who could sharpen by hand 1500 - 2000 per day get that tip perfect everytime!
Furthermore unless your using a jig system it wouldn't stay true either.
At 2000 blades per day that's 14.4 seconds to pick the knife up sharpen both sides and put it back in a stack. That's assuming someone else is supplying him with a case of knives and moving the sharpened cases out of the way. If he has to do this, that cuts the time per blade substantially less.
Now when that knife gets dull I doubt you can restore it in 14.4 sec. and if you can I bet you won't hit that tip perfect fifty percent of the time. And ah feel free to post the youtube video when you do.

Ain't it funny how we bitch when something done by hand isn't perfect.
Then when a machine is created to do it perfect we bitch because it's not hand made.

Do not take this post to harshly, as it's not meant that way, just say'n.
 
The Buck Csar-T is an impressive liner lock from Buck. Before that I never had a liner lock from Buck that was on par with the competition. In my opinion, Buck excels at traditional knives and outside of that, I look elsewhere.
 
I got a small advantage select in the mail today and it is perfect. Like many things there may be QC issues relating to the individual builder.
 
st8yd said:
Now I would say your being nit picky about a $20 dollar knife. I don't think there's a man alive who could sharpen by hand 1500 - 2000 per day get that tip perfect everytime!
Furthermore unless your using a jig system it wouldn't stay true either.
At 2000 blades per day that's 14.4 seconds to pick the knife up sharpen both sides and put it back in a stack. That's assuming someone else is supplying him with a case of knives and moving the sharpened cases out of the way. If he has to do this, that cuts the time per blade substantially less.
Now when that knife gets dull I doubt you can restore it in 14.4 sec. and if you can I bet you won't hit that tip perfect fifty percent of the time. And ah feel free to post the youtube video when you do.

Ain't it funny how we bitch when something done by hand isn't perfect.
Then when a machine is created to do it perfect we bitch because it's not hand made.

Do not take this post to harshly, as it's not meant that way, just say'n.
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Yeah, you're probably right. I didn't take it harsh at all.

I actually took some rubbing compound and a wet cloth to the blade last night and it really came to life. Whatever dullness and abrasions were on it from the factory immediately came off and it looks better than new. Even the shiny polished part of the blade looks like a mirror finish now. I spent a couple minutes again with the blade on the spyderco sharpmaker and it's arm hair shaving now with 2 strokes. This works for me! Great knife, great carry too.
 
AF said:
The Buck Csar-T is an impressive liner lock from Buck. Before that I never had a liner lock from Buck that was on par with the competition. In my opinion, Buck excels at traditional knives and outside of that, I look elsewhere.
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The folding Alpha Hunter and the now discontinued folding Kalinga Pro's are liner locks and they have the smoothest action of any liner lock knife I've ever tried.
 
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