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Jim ,

Thanks for the input, I was not familiar with that option. Like Uncle Bill, I rarely venture out of the Hi forum since this is the place I prefer!

Why I do not understand then , since there is such a place is why we all have to be submitted to something most of us have no interest in?
After all if this is our community and we all have a voice in the family, we should go by what the majority wants.

I still believe the solution I offered is a good compromise for everyone. If there is any question about it, let's put it to a vote.

Question 1: Do you want to read about unrelated Khuks questions on HI forum's? Yes/No
Question 2: Is there a place for political /religious views on HI's forum or should it be posted separately? YES/NO
 
Since we are being democratic about it:


I would answer No to both and submit question #3

Do you support banning individuals (or turning them in to a supermoderator that can ban them and/or decide such a thing) that repeatedly make trouble for its own sake even after being warned? Yes/NO? My answer this time? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Thank for your support , Rob! I don't want to start a revolution by suggesting that we MUST vote on anything but I really would like for someone to answer me on the point I raised earlier:

Why do we have to be subjected to political threads in the first place since there is apparently a place for this?

The issue is simple:

- Either this forum is about knives, and anything else should go elsewhere or
- This forum is about anything, based on Freedom of Speech and then any argument about troll is irrelevant. You can't call someone a troll just because you happen to disagree with what he /she wrote.

I personally experienced attacks from certain forumites because the views I expressed happened to be against their views. Yet, for several months I have had to read about postings promoting THEIR political views, some certainly racist, but since it was on their side, it was OK. Where is the fairness then?

...or if this forum is meant to be used to only promote the views of a few, then let's be clear about it.

One thing for sure: many have used (and abused) Uncle Bill's tolerance to get away with it!
 
As an observer of this forum for many months (Poster since today), I see a trend. This trend is neither good nor bad, but it is rooted in human nature. Now that I am posting to this forum, is can see the trend in even my own first few postings. This same trend can be observed in any forum or list online.

1. Almost every thread starts with a khuk disussion, as is appropriate for the forum. This is of course natural. someone has a questions, and wants it answered, or has some khuk related idea to share.

2. As the thread is read, others submit their responses, seasoned with their own personal experience with the topic. This is where the thread begins to develop in breadth and scope, and other side issues develop.

3. The thread grows in scope - At this stage, people are responding not only to the initial post, but to their perceptions of other folks personal experiences, side issues, additonal questions, statements, etc. that have accumulated. Now is when the post is diverging, and morphing into a whole new animal. Once again, this evolution is neither good nor bad. It may no longer primarily center arond khuks, though. This is okay, but communication is garbled when there is too much back and forth. Sometimes a difference of opinion becomes the new center of the thread, and some object to that.

4. The thread is abandoned - Because the initial question or topic is satisfied, the thread is no longer posted to. In the case of a difference of opinion, you can see people dropping out of the info race, one by one, until only a few remain. They noted that the current discussion does not pertain to them anymore, or is undesireable for one reason or another. They surrender the floor to the remaiing speakers, who also eventually drop the thread.

By keeping this thread life cycle in mind all posters will be able to identify what part of the life cycle the thread is in, whether is is fulfilling their discussion requirement or not, etc.

My opinion is that this thread is in the 3-4 stage for me, others may feel differently.

Just my two pence.

Keith
 
So we see the infinite cycle of nature repeated endlessly....birth,growth, decline and death, the season's of our lives...a thread is born and a thread dies...sob

next season, next thread please
There really isn't anything unusual going on.

I wasn't here two years ago. I don't know how special it was. I like it here fine now. I wish I could go back in time to the good old days, but apparently not everyone thought they were good.

A good question is: what does everyone want to do to make the forum better, if anything?

Many respectable opinions here.
Lot's of insight from a ferrous metal

munk
 
A good question is: what does everyone want to do to make the forum better, if anything
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I think if everyone took the time to answer the three questions above, that would answer your question because the questions pierre (and myself) raised were intended to improve the forum.

I also think he makes some valid points that need to be addressed.

I wish I could go back in time to the good old days, but apparently not everyone thought they were good.
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:confused: What do you mean? I think the main person who changed everything was the troll in question, and I certainly don't think we need to take his @$##@# opinion into account as he has no interest in this forum beyond causing trouble.
 
Yvsa, Blues, Wal, Maui Rog, Jim; Bill already appears to be coming up with compromises here. All I can say is, stay with the Cantina. I love reading your threads and if I've read your threads correctly over quite a period of time, there's a real affection between yourselves and Uncle Bill - even though things appear strained at the moment, just remember who you are really mad at.

Now, on a more serious note, I address this specifically to Jim. I think it is you who keeps stealing those M43 PGA's before I wake up in the mornings. I want a more definitive answer to that description "nice" earlier in this thread. Does this mean you are real nice and that the next M43 that comes up is mine. Or, does it mean you are really, really nice and you will be donating one of your countless M43's to a poor suffering collector from down under. Or does it mean you are really, really, really nice and you will even pay the postage cost to Australia? I really need a M43 for my collection, be nice.
 
Even back in the 'good old days' people apparently made political asides that not everyone was happy with. I don't want to speak naturally to you all and feel at any moment if I digress, wander off, or just have a good time, the Moderator will show and ask me to take it some where else. I've looked at the 'somewhere else' and I didn't think much of it. It reminded me of what is said on CB radios.

Recently Bill got a lot off his chest about the maoists in Nepal. Would any of us begrudge him that? NO.

As people are responsible for their actions they pay for what they say. The troll left. You guys took exception to his ways and challenged him and he left. I don't see a real problem here. I see people are on different sides of this issue and friends disagree and like much in the world that is sad but true.

I have said all I can and more than I should and i wish I could make you all laugh out loud but my humor failed earlier. If you bring it to a vote I'll vote. If I'm even allowed a vote; maybe you want a criteria of at least a year's membership in the forum. Whatever you guys decide.

munk
 
I've deleted threads that I now feel I should have just closed and/or transferred somewhere else (politcal forum? I don't get out of this one so I really don't know or can't remember where to send them) rather than deleting them.

It's as I said. I suffer from the Jane Fonda syndrome. Letting the person have their say is a phobia, fixation -- and the more controversial the point the more I feel I have to let them express it. But if I could find a place somewhere else where I'm sure they can say what they want that would certainly make my life easier.

What's that place in England where you can stand on the soap box and say anything you want?
 
Thanks for PM chuckle.

Isn't there really a place called talker's square or something like that where you have your say and take the flak?
 
Yes there is, and my education rings the bell but doesn't bring home the name of said place...or is that my brain which is ringing? Another job for beoram or one of our UK posters.

munk
 
I believe I spent a few minutes at the place when I visited the UK in the 60s. Sure enough you can spout off anything you like but you pay the price in flak you get. Funny as hell!!!!
 
Here's the URL's for Community with just a few of the forums that are found there.
There's some great guys that post on the Asian and Australian Forum found there that also post here.
I have only glanced in at the European Forum there as it's history has been that it's not a busy place.
There's also a Canadian Forum and a United States Knife Knuts Forum there as well and a few others that are generally off topic from
knives.
If you haven't checked out all of the varied forums here on BladeForums.com I suggest that you do so.
There's some great info found all over the forums with nice guys waiting to talk with anyone new that's respectable.
I have always been treated with kindness no matter where I have posted, even when I once defended Mohd in Political, and like here my posts are usually to share something or ask a question unless there happens to be a troll present.
The troll bashers as they are called don't need any help from me as I am rather gentle compared to them and what they do, Bless their hearts!!!!
They help to keep the forums a nice place to visit.

Knife Community, where all community forums are located.....
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=670

Community Forum, where general off topic discussions take place.......
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=742

Political Forum, where political discussions take place.....
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=685

Whine and Cheese Forum, where anything goes and by all means Please read the warning before you go in there and just happen to not be able to keep your mouth shut if you're offended by someone's post that you might consider, dirty, vulgar, way outta line or whatever!!!! This is the "Where Anything Goes Forum."............
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=684
 
Hey, Bro - Good to hear from you again.

My 2¢ worth (not adjusted for inflation)
My time here runs just under 16 months. In that time, I have seen many types of disagreements. Only one was this noticeable. ALL of them were presented with consideration, respect for other opinions, and indeed, in a tone which recognized the legitimate existence of other opinions. This time, an opinion was expressed as dogma, in a "shame on you" tone which recognized no right to any disagreement. It didn't fly, and the results don't need to be rehashed, here or anyplace else.

I put up £1 for this Hyde Park soapbox, and anyone who wishes to may use it for the time remaining. Or, put it in the kitty for beer.
 
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Hey, Bro - Good to hear from you again.

My 2¢ worth (not adjusted for inflation)
My time here runs just under 16 months. In that time, I have seen many types of disagreements. Only one was this noticeable. ALL of them were presented with consideration, respect for other opinions, and indeed, in a tone which recognized the legitimate existence of other opinions. This time, an opinion was expressed as dogma, in a "shame on you" tone which recognized no right to any disagreement. It didn't fly, and the results don't need to be rehashed, here or anyplace else.

I put up £1 for this Hyde Park soapbox, and anyone who wishes to may use it for the time remaining. Or, put it in the kitty for beer.
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Thanks Bro.
You have stated the situation better than anyone and it's as I have said all along, "It never was about "Free Speech" Never!!!!
 
Uncle Bill,

The place you refer to is located in Hyde Park , Speakers corner. Now if you go straigh North from Speakers corner, cross Oxfors Street and go one block, to the right is one of Englands best pub { makes Heineken taste like water}
 
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