Am I the only one who hates water/oil stones?

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Maybe "hate" is too strong of a word. Let me explain.

Because they require oil or water, I find using that type of whetstone to be messy and wasteful. I also don't like the cleaning and maintenance requirements. Lastly, I find them to be really expensive for what they are. Ceramics are best in my opinion because they're generally cheap, you can use them dry, and you can clean them with an eraser.* A lot of people also like using diamond plates, but I don't like the fact that they create diamond dust. That's probably just me, and I do admittedly own and use various diamond coated products.

I appreciate that some people really enjoy using waterstones/oilstones and may even find the process relaxing.

What are your thoughts?

* Side note: I just found out that some people also use erasers to clean their waterstones and oilstones.

edit: corrected the topic title and post to fit the correct definition of whetstone. This topic is specifically about waterstones and oilstones vs. other types of knife sharpening objects which do not require oil or water.
 
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Whet means to sharpen, so any stone you sharpen on, be it alumina ceramic, diamond, or silicon carbide, is a whetstone.

I agree though, I'm not a fan of stones that need oil or water. Just too much mess and setup for me to bother with. My normal setup is a 220 grit dmt stone and a spyderco medium. Also have a sharpal 320/1200 and it does a fine job as well.

No water, no oil, just pull the stone out and do the job. Less is more, imo.
 
Sharpening itself, and cleaning the stones used for sharpening, can be as complicated or as simple as one makes it out to be, in their mind. I've found it easier and more worry-free, long-term, to lubricate stones that are proven to work better as a result, and also proven easier to maintain in the best working condition as a result of lubricating them. Stone life and efficiency of cutting will be extended by lubricating the stone.

Most ceramic hones, due to the light touch-up nature of how they're used most of the time, can be maintained pretty well when used dry, using an eraser to clean them after each sharpening session (or even multiple times per session). But for the heavy loading that occurs when ceramics are used for heavier polishing, an application of 2 or 3 drops of mineral oil goes a long way toward keeping the stone cutting well, even as fairly heavy swarf accumulates. That's due to how the oil will prevent the swarf from clinging to the surface in almost a galling-like fashion, as happens when the stones are used dry. With just a little bit of oil, the swarf is essentially pushed aside as the honing occurs and can simply be wiped away with a rag. Sintered ceramics in particular, like the Spyderco hones, become exponentially slower when they begin to clog even a little bit. So, even if one can stay ahead of that with some eraser-scrubbing along the way, it'll have to be done very, very frequently to keep the hone working at all, in heavier grinding or polishing jobs.

Very coarse and very porous stones, like most oilstones (natural or synthetic) can't be cleaned fully to the depth of the pores with something like an eraser. Swarf will still accumulate below the eraser's reach and will still clog the stone to some degree over time. And it'll clog FAST, like in minutes, when used dry for any heavy grinding. And as with any lubrication used in friction-inducing work on a stone, the lubrication reduces wear as well, on the stone's grit. A stone that was designed and intended to be used with oil will almost never need any heavy scrubbing or cleaning between uses, and can simply be 'cleaned' by a light application of clean oil at the finish of the session, rubbed a bit into the surface to lift the swarf and wiped or blotted away with something like a microfiber towel. If maintained this way, the stone may never need any additional cleaning.

And decent diamond plates don't generate enough diamond dust to be of concern. Any dust that might be created, be it either loose grit or swarf, would be better controlled and contained with a little bit of lubrication, which will prevent the dust from getting airborne. And diamond plates are stupid-simple to clean in the same manner as an oilstone, used with a couple or three drops of oil on the surface. It keeps swarf from clinging, which means it can simply be wiped away with a microfiber towel. And the little bit of oil on the hone can be washed away when finished, with some dish soap & water - takes maybe 2 or 3 minutes. Alternatively, I sometimes use a spritz of Windex on a diamond hone in the same manner to clean it, wiping it off with the microfiber towel. All of this keeps the diamond plate working 'as new', when maintained this way. I DO sometimes use my diamond hones dry for some light tune-ups on the fly, done in maybe 2-5 passes per side. No big deal there, as loading/clogging issues go. But when I'm setting new bevels, I'll still put a few drops of oil on the diamond plate to keep the swarf from getting in the way. For cleaning's sake, that additional 'mess' might take an extra half-minute to clean up, as opposed to cleaning a dry hone.

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All the above, of my preferences and how & why I came to them, are the result of trying all of my hones/stones both with and without lubrication over the span of years. I've gone down the same path as well in specifically testing the differences in using either oil or water on stones. So, it's not like the conclusions I've reached are based on assumptions or short-term observations. I try to keep an open mind and I do revisit these things at times to see if I still come to the same conclusions or not. When I first started sharpening, I also felt the 'mess' aspect was something not worthwhile to me. But that was when I was doing all of my sharpening at a very light-duty, touchup scale, long before I started attempting tasks like reprofiling or setting new bevels on knives. For the light-duty work, one can get by without using lubrication on a stone and not notice much of an obvious difference. But for heavier work, the shortcomings in dry grinding vs. the improvement in performance coming with the extra 'mess' of wet sharpening kind of jump up and can't be ignored.
 
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I am not fond of water or oil whetstones. I am a big fan of Spyderco ceramics. Easy to use, easy to clean and do a reasonably good job sharpening a knife blade. At least for me they do.
 
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I don't like oilstones much but water stones (especially the splash and go type) can be extremely pleasant to use. Once I got a sink bridge it became a pretty simple process and it keeps the mess to a minimum.

I used the Spyderco ceramics in the past but they cut very slowly compared to many other stones and require very frequent cleaning for the best performance.

Truth be told most of the time I use some kind of diamond stone, but the feel and experience of good water stones is worth my time in the right circumstance.
 
Ceramic has a limited range or use IME. And one can use water on just about any stone, not just “waterstone”—which I agree are more trouble than they are worth for my applications.

Favorite is sandpaper on glass. No dishing, cut to size, wide range of grits up to 60K.
 
Maybe "hate" is too strong of a word. Let me explain.

Because they require oil or water, I find using that type of whetstone to be messy and wasteful.

I understand messy…but wasteful?

I learned how to sharpen back in the ‘80s starting with the same ceramic that later became known as the Spyderco triangle type. I think it was Colorado Abrasives and I got the stones at a trade show. I use a wide variety of sharpeners today. I like them to varying degrees. But I think declaring ‘hate’ for any type of useable system is somewhat ‘wasteful’...aside for being something to discuss. Just don‘t use it.

I don’t get not liking diamond plates because of the ‘dust they create’. I use lots of diamond plated tools and I use the appropriate PPE when on rotary power tools.

Even *gasp* pull-through types have a place for me. I don’t generally ‘like’ them, but they are portable and some of mine are modified to my liking.

Like mentioned above, ceramic has its limitations. Just depends on the results desired.
 
Using sintered stones without lubrication, especially for more than just light touchups, will greatly accelerate the wear on the abrasive grains at the surface, leading to the stone burnishing rather than cutting. This means you'll need to recondition the face of the stone sooner to keep the stone functioning properly. A worn sintered stone will only provide a steeling action that is predisposed to forming a stubborn burr at the apex that will flop back and forth and eventually break off, leaving a less-than-ideal weakened edge.

Lubrication is preferable on *almost* all stone types, the exception mostly being some kinds of resin-bonded stones that will actually clog worse if lubricated, and then the resin binder acts as lubrication in use.
 
I don't mind cleaning stones. I use soapy water on my diamond stones. If I get my hands dirty then I use some soap and water. I really don't see the problem...
 
Lubrication is preferable on *almost* all stone types, the exception mostly being some kinds of resin-bonded stones that will actually clog worse if lubricated, and then the resin binder acts as lubrication in use.
I use a mixture of water and rubbing alcohol on my Venev diamond stones. Is this not advisable. ? :oops::)
 
I use a mixture of water and rubbing alcohol on my Venev diamond stones. Is this not advisable. ? :oops::)
You'd have to ask them. Different resin bonds react differently. If it seems to be working fine, though, I'd not be too concerned. There's a million and one different kinds of resin binders.
 
I find oil stones to be a bit messy but many splash & go water stones are not messy and they also don’t require too much maintenance. A proper sink bridge helps.
 
I usually sharpen while sitting at the same smallish desk where I work remotely on the computer, which is often running while I sharpen. Oil or water stones are not practical.
 
The Norton TriHone holds 3 stones partially dipped in mineral oil. The top stone can be squeegeed off with a rubber spatula to reduce the mess. The stones can be rolled through the bath to coat them with fresh oil. An auto parts cleaning brush will loosen the swarf which can then be rinsed (by rolling slowly) and squeegeed to present a fresh surface. The grit goes to the bottom of the bath where the stones can’t reach it. I wipe the blade with a rag after using each stone to prevent the transfer of coarser grit to finer stones.

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The Norton TriHone holds 3 stones partially dipped in mineral oil. The top stone can be squeegeed off with a rubber spatula to reduce the mess. The stones can be rolled through the bath to coat them with fresh oil. An auto parts brush will loosen the swarf which can then be rinsed (by rolling slowly) View attachment 1873723and squeegeed to present a fresh surface. The grit goes to the bottom of the bath where stones can’t reach it. I wipe the blade with a rag after using each stone to prevent the transfer of coarser grit to finer stones.

I have a setup similar to that.

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