Amazing destruction of a Ang Khola!

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Hello everyone!

I was cruising around on the internet, and I found these amazing videos. Its a series of 10 videos, where they do everything from cut through a steel pipe, to cut through a cinder block, and try to break this blade! Its a shame it was done to such a cool knife, but its amazing to see what it can do at the same time.

However, it does raise some interesting questions. If you look at video 6, they do a flex test of the blade, by sticking it up in a vice and pulling on the handle. Interestingly, the blade just bends. It doesn't come back to neutral (It has almost no springy-ness). I mean yes, it does look like it took a fair amount of force to bend it, and as he says its very stiff, but other knifes tested on the site bend up to 35 degrees and return to normal.

If these are forged out of leaf springs, wouldnt they be pretty flexible? What I think has happend is this. When the blade was forged, it was heated. This ruined the temper on the original leaf spring, and annealed the blade (Made it soft). This effect can be seen in other of these videos, where hammering on the back of the blade begins to mushroom it over. However, the blade was then selectively hardened along the 'sweet' spot of the blade, allowing it to cut through steel pipes and concrete blocks.

Another thing i have seen from these videos is an issue with the tang. When they stand on it, it bends. Other knifes tested by this guy was able to bear his full weight, without bending or snapping or even deforming. Again, I think that this is due to the Ang Khola not having any heat treat on the body of the blade, and only on the cutting edge. A possible solution could be to offer the AK with a full tang?

Anyways, what are your thoughts on these videos, or qustions I have raised?

Also, heres video 1 of 10. You might want to skip it and move on, as the first video is pretty dull:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=noss4#p/u/71/REb0WUDoxHo
 
Oh jeez - I certainly hope you're not trolling :o
This has been posted and discussed many a time...

However, it does raise some interesting questions. If you look at video 6, they do a flex test of the blade, by sticking it up in a vice and pulling on the handle. Interestingly, the blade just bends. It doesn't come back to neutral (It has almost no springy-ness). I mean yes, it does look like it took a fair amount of force to bend it, and as he says its very stiff, but other knifes tested on the site bend up to 35 degrees and return to normal.

Are any of those knives 3/8-1/2" Thick? Hell no. Of course those knives will "spring" back to shape... they're made of stamped sheet metal probably 3/32" thick... besides, do you really want a 2 pound piece of steel with a razor edge to be "springing" around after a forceful blow? Not only is it dangerous, but it has no feasible benefit whatsoever - a proper heat treat of a knife will allow it to bend (rather than snap) when subjected to high strain like in the video

If these are forged out of leaf springs, wouldnt they be pretty flexible? What I think has happend is this. When the blade was forged, it was heated. This ruined the temper on the original leaf spring, and annealed the blade (Made it soft). This effect can be seen in other of these videos, where hammering on the back of the blade begins to mushroom it over. However, the blade was then selectively hardened along the 'sweet' spot of the blade, allowing it to cut through steel pipes and concrete blocks.

Read up on proper heat treating - specifically differential hardening. You want a soft spine and a hard (yet not brittle) edge on a hard impact blade... the hardened edge allows for a good cut while the soft spine allows the knife or sword to not shatter upon impact. Many famous blade styles have implemented this throughout history - most notably japanese katanas.

Another thing i have seen from these videos is an issue with the tang. When they stand on it, it bends. Other knifes tested by this guy was able to bear his full weight, without bending or snapping or even deforming. Again, I think that this is due to the Ang Khola not having any heat treat on the body of the blade, and only on the cutting edge.

Again - none of those blades were 3/8-1/2" thick and the bending is indicative of a proper heat treat, not a lack of one. Please do some reading on the subject

A possible solution could be to offer the AK with a full tang?

It's called the chiruwa style... HI implements it in several models. The hidden/narrow tang is plenty strong and a full tang really is not necessary unless you intend to use the kukri as a prybar
 
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No, im not trolling. I just found those videos and thought they were a great testament to the toughness of these blades. All im trying to do is open a discussion and gain more insight on these blades, and bring the videos to more peoples attention. For example, I diddnt know that the Chiruwa style was a full tang. :)
 
No, im not trolling. I just found those videos and thought they were a great testament to the toughness of these blades. All im trying to do is open a discussion and gain more insight on these blades, and bring the videos to more peoples attention. For example, I diddnt know that the Chiruwa style was a full tang. :)

I certainly hope you're reading up on differential hardening as well :p
 
Lol, yes, I understand the concept of selectively hardening a blade. The only reason I made the post was so that others could see these videos. And then I posted a few quick thoughts I had afterwards. :)
 
Hi blades are tempered much in the same way as a Jap. Katana with a hard edge and soft spine to absorb shock and bend instead of breaking there is nothing wrong with the way they are done just different than western production knives...basically the springier a blade is the harder it is and the more brittle not something you want on a knife that is made for chopping...also the springier a blade is the more the vibration is transfered to the user also not something you want in a chopping weapon/tool. HI kurkris are pretty much considered the cream of the crop not only here but with most knife collectors.
 
Yeah, we've seen them. ;)

A couple things to consider:

The AK did exactly what it should do: bend, not break. Remember these are made by people who live in what we'd consider rather primitive conditions. If a Nepali in the field for some reason bends his blade, he can pound it generally back into shape on a rock, steel it with the chakmak and keep going.

To have the blade bend significantly, and then spring back, they have to give it a spring temper (just because it's 5160 spring steel, doesn't mean it automatically springs back to shape, no matter how it's treated). Spring tempers require pretty exacting heat treat recipes to be done right; Read: heat treat ovens, specialized atmospheres, etc. These guys heat treat with teapots of boiling water.

Also, most spring tempers won't hold an edge well. With a differential heat treat, you can work in primitive conditions, get a sharp blade that holds an edge well, yet doesn't shatter when pounded.



So............which is going to be your first? :D

The ONLY guys I know of that have the kind of flexibility AND edge holding you're talking about are the Bussekin knives (Busse Combat, Swamp Rat, Scrapyard), and people have infarctions over what they cost.
 
there are different opinions on the validity of his tests.you can break ANY knife if you try.if used for the intended purpose i have never had a H.I. product fail to perform as promised.some of the other knives are not close enough to compare realistically.
 
Yeh I saw that video on you tube when I was researching Khukuris before i bought my Ang Khola from HI. It was a 12 inch model where mine is a 15. I thought it held up incredibly given the horrific treatment it was put thru.
 
That's cool and thanks for sharing.

More informational to me however is not destruction but testing on balance, ergonomics and cutting efficiency.
 
Here is the original thread:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=575820&highlight=knifetest

This subject and it's so-called "Testing" has been quite a bone of contention here, in General D and in the NR&T forums in the past. Enough arguing,flaming and disruption happened that noone really wants to hear or discuss it anymore and Noss4 rarely ever posts anymore because he doesnt like having his tests called "controversial", "Pseudo-science" and "Internet Attention-whoring". Honestly... I feel that his type of testing has done the knife community more harm than good by Trashing reputable makers and by skewing peoples perceptions of knfe abuse to unreasonable expectations. Anyone basing knife purchases on the nonsense of the knifetests really should be re-evaluating their expectations of steel and knives in general.

I find this similar tester more amicable and fun to watch.

[youtube]B2ZeIoLz8FE[/youtube]
 
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I have alway felt that little AK outperformed even the mighty Battle Mistress in those "tests". He never was able to break the blade.
 
Conans Hyrkanian Steel chops columns of marble...
...I'd rather prepare a full meal and sleep warm and well with my blade:)

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Mark
 
All I can say is, I've never come upon a concrete wall and said to myself "self, I sure wish I had a knife I could use to chop through this here concrete wall".

Evaluating knives by trying to chop through concrete is like evaluating a hammer by how well it cuts weeds.


It's just silly.
 
Lol, I know some of those tests are pretty stupid. But overall, I think they go to show that the AK is a very tough blade!

If the CAK came in a 20 inch version, I would buy it now. Lol
 
Lol, I know some of those tests are pretty stupid. But overall, I think they go to show that the AK is a very tough blade!

If the CAK came in a 20 inch version, I would buy it now. Lol

They do exist! Email Ms Yangdu; she might have one in stock. Corporal Punishment has one he's rather fond of, and I have a hybridized 20" CAK-ish variant.
 
They do exist eh? They should totally be on the website:P You cant even find the CAK version on the website, and have to do some fancy digging to find it in the first place :P
 
They do exist eh? They should totally be on the website:P You cant even find the CAK version on the website, and have to do some fancy digging to find it in the first place :P

I think odds might be good she might have one somewhere in the Shack Of Wonders.

A 20" Ang Khola, chiruwa or not, is a lot of khukuri. You really have to hold one in your hand to appreciate it.

Here's mine:
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See also: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680196
and don't forget to browse through the picture thread.
 
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