American Made

It's important to me. I try very hard to get American made items and I am always on the lookout for items from American owned companies. It makes me feel good to participate with a company that pays a living wage to an employee, an employee that will take that money and use it on this soil is a bonus.

How many folks in oversees production plants are not paid a living wage? Just because something comes from another country, it does not mean the people are not well paid by their cost of living standards.

$200 a month is a lot of cash in some places. Not every company has the cost living we do. Hell, not even every part of our country has the same cost of living.
 
Nope, because you can't. :o ;) The closest you can come is "assembled in the U.S. from domestic and foreign components." Even there, the percentage of foreign components might be surprising in some cases.

In the same vein, you can't post here with an entirely American-made computer... ;)

That's why I love it when people are "RAH RAH I ONLY BUY AMERICAN MADE!" and it makes me laugh because I imagine that they have to ride in an Amish carriage everywhere and post things on a forum from a computer made in 1976.

How many folks in oversees production plants are not paid a living wage? Just because something comes from another country, it does not mean the people are not well paid by their cost of living standards.

$200 a month is a lot of cash in some places. Not every company has the cost living we do. Hell, not even every part of our country has the same cost of living.

I've discussed this elsewhere on these forums, but it is very disingenuous to decry Chinese-made goods because of supposed "slave labor". Legitimate manufacturing in China is always staffed by paid and compensated workers. To think otherwise is just foolish and ignorant. Slave labor only comes in to play with bargain basement knockoff goods where someone takes a hit somewhere along the line, and it's usually the workers doing the work at the bottom. But there is no slave labor in legitimate business in China.

That said, the majority of paid workers aren't paid very much... By our standards. But you can't compare our cost of living expenses to theirs, it's a completely different animal. Yes, the majority of workers are paid pennies an hour, but when you can live pretty comfortably (even by our standards) for what we would call "minimum wage", pennies an hour takes on a different meaning.
 
That's why I love it when people are "RAH RAH I ONLY BUY AMERICAN MADE!" and it makes me laugh because I imagine that they have to ride in an Amish carriage everywhere and post things on a forum from a computer made in 1976.



I've discussed this elsewhere on these forums, but it is very disingenuous to decry Chinese-made goods because of supposed "slave labor". Legitimate manufacturing in China is always staffed by paid and compensated workers. To think otherwise is just foolish and ignorant. Slave labor only comes in to play with bargain basement knockoff goods where someone takes a hit somewhere along the line, and it's usually the workers doing the work at the bottom. But there is no slave labor in legitimate business in China.

That said, the majority of paid workers aren't paid very much... By our standards. But you can't compare our cost of living expenses to theirs, it's a completely different animal. Yes, the majority of workers are paid pennies an hour, but when you can live pretty comfortably (even by our standards) for what we would call "minimum wage", pennies an hour takes on a different meaning.
A good portion of "Legitimate business" in china is counterfeiting goods. Nothing is done to stop it.
 
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A. G. Russell explained why he had to do business with China.
Let's not turn this into a China bashing thread, please.
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Let's face it, nothing is 100% made in the US anymore. Even if it says made in the US on the blade, what about the screws and other parts? Might be 100% assembled in the US, but not 100% made anymore.
 
As I consider the question and quickly glance around my office and workspace and my clothing and my car and my house....

Buy what ever gives you peace of mind. Globally, supply chains in all areas are deeply intertwined and will stay that way unless/until very major changes happen.

For traditional knives, I prefer to buy from companies that are owned and operated within the culture they come from. I carry a French Opinel and that makes more sense to me than, say, a Slovenian Opinel. Nothing wrong with Slovenian knives, mind you. But an Opinel is a French knife. But then again, Levis are "murican and not made in the US. So there you have it.
 
Seems like those who buy Chinese made get very offended by those who state their preference to buy American made when readily available. No need to try and bash others with ridiculous examples to make yourselves feel better or justify your purchase. Obviously it's impossible to buy only goods made in USA as some things just aren't made here! So please spare us the "You must be Amish" lines, the stupidity of these remarks make my brain cells hurt. :stupid:

Edit: Also wanted to add, according to the Federal Trade Commission, “Made in USA” means that “all or virtually all” the product has been made in America. That is, all significant parts, processing and labor that go into the product must be of U.S. origin. So it's possible the screws are from somewhere else, but all major components are Made in USA which is good enough for me.

http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/alt101-selling-american-made-products-made-usa-claims
 
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No hard and fast rules here. If I like the knife and the price, I will buy it regardless of country of origin.

However, I am definitely less value-conscious with Made in USA product. I don't mind paying a premium, knowing that I am likely to get a top quality product and that my money is going to stay in the US economy. In this sense I do favor USA made products.

Also, if I'm giving a knife is a gift, I am far more likely to choose something that is USA or European. It's not that I think Chinese can't manufacture quality goods - that's clearly not true. But everything is made in China these days and so it just seems so ordinary. When I'm buying someone a gift I want it to be something that is a little out of the ordinary – something they wouldn't find on the shelf at WalMart and buy for themselves.
 
All my knives are made in the USA, now I don't really try and find out if ever screw and back spacer were made in the US, I don't take it to that level. The important thing to me is that they provide jobs here in the US and have factories here that employ American workers. I am ok with the screws being made somewhere else. I do not feel quality of over-seas knives are an issue. I just like to support jobs here at home. There is not enough manufacturing being done in the US anymore and I see that as a problem. I don't have an issue that some products I buy will be made abroad, but I like to buy US when I can. 90 percent (or better) of the goods we buy are made outside the US. Its good to know at least some things are still made here, and if we want that to continue, we need to support it where/when we can. All my knives are CRK, Benchmade, Zero Tolerance and Spydero (made in Golden Co.)
 
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I don't worry about where the ownership of a business is. Whether the big cut goes to a Japanese billionaire or an American billionaire is less important to me than where the jobs are. When possible, I like to buy from companies who employ Americans.

I live in Tualatin, Oregon. When I buy ZT, for example, I'm supporting people in my own town.
 
But then again, Levis are "murican and not made in the US. So there you have it.

Ever since they stopped making Levis in the US, they gone to pot. Totally different jean now and I'll never buy them again.
Ok, back to knives. :p
 
I don't worry about where the ownership of a business is. Whether the big cut goes to a Japanese billionaire or an American billionaire is less important to me than where the jobs are. When possible, I like to buy from companies who employ Americans.

I live in Tualatin, Oregon. When I buy ZT, for example, I'm supporting people in my own town.

I think Buck is like that.
 
I wish they would make the Delica in CO. :(

Why? The Delica has always been made in Seki-city, the area is known for well made cutlery. I personally enjoy the VG-10 steel, nice to have something different. I would also daresay these aspects contribute to the character of the Delica and Endura.

Japan is an industrialized nation and one of USA's closest allies with strong political, economic and military relations. I prefer made in USA but I wouldn't have any qualms buying a knife made in Japan.
 
Why? The Delica has always been made in Seki-city, the area is known for well made cutlery. I personally enjoy the VG-10 steel, nice to have something different. I would also daresay these aspects contribute to the character of the Delica and Endura.

Japan is an industrialized nation and one of USA's closest allies with strong political, economic and military relations. I prefer made in USA but I wouldn't have any qualms buying a knife made in Japan.

You have a point. We have no problems with Japan and they build good cars also. :p
 
These threads keep coming up and pretty much the same things are stated again and again.

Like everyone, I have my preferences, whether from U.S., Japan, Switzerland, etc. But everyone has the right to choose which knives to buy, wherever they are made. I would never suggest to someone who will only buy USA-made knives to try out knives made in other countries. Likewise, I wouldn't try to insinuate that someone is somehow less patriotic because they buy and use foreign-made knives. People's beliefs in knives can, like many things, become like many people's views on religion. It's senseless to argue about it. In the end, I like what I like, and everyone else has their own likes/dislikes. Someone else's preferences have nothing to do with mine. Sometimes we may share preferences in common, and are able to share experiences/thoughts on that.

I will ask, how many people who automatically assume all knives made in any Asian country are assembled by slave labor in sweatshops, have actually been to and lived in said Asian countries? I mean, actually lived in a country for years, and not just among other American/Western ex-pats, but among the people of that country? To automatically assume any Asian manufacturing is done using slave labor is ignorant. Sure it happens. It's happened, and is probably still happening, right here in the U.S. Many people on the forums also confuse or intermix Taiwan and Mainland China as the same. They aren't. I spent nearly a decade in Taiwan.

Jim
 
I'm just going to come out and say that of the problems I've had with initial quality and fit/finish, the Japanese-made knives have had the worst track record. It hasn't stopped me from buying them, because when you obtain a good sample they are beautiful and built with awesome materials. But so far they have given me the most headaches.
 
These threads keep coming up and pretty much the same things are stated again and again.

Like everyone, I have my preferences, whether from U.S., Japan, Switzerland, etc. But everyone has the right to choose which knives to buy, wherever they are made. I would never suggest to someone who will only buy USA-made knives to try out knives made in other countries. Likewise, I wouldn't try to insinuate that someone is somehow less patriotic because they buy and use foreign-made knives. People's beliefs in knives can, like many things, become like many people's views on religion. It's senseless to argue about it. In the end, I like what I like, and everyone else has their own likes/dislikes. Someone else's preferences have nothing to do with mine. Sometimes we may share preferences in common, and are able to share experiences/thoughts on that.

I will ask, how many people who automatically assume all knives made in any Asian country are assembled by slave labor in sweatshops, have actually been to and lived in said Asian countries? I mean, actually lived in a country for years, and not just among other American/Western ex-pats, but among the people of that country? To automatically assume any Asian manufacturing is done using slave labor is ignorant. Sure it happens. It's happened, and is probably still happening, right here in the U.S. Many people on the forums also confuse or intermix Taiwan and Mainland China as the same. They aren't. I spent nearly a decade in Taiwan.

Jim


Or actually even been there at all for that matter....

A very large percentage haven't...

Most people when they go on vacation etc they go to the beach or some cheap place like Aruba or take some really cheap deal on a Cruise that doesn't really go anywhere interesting...

So for the most part unless people have served time in the Military like the Navy or the Marines that really get around a lot or are Wealthy etc they haven't seen much....

A lot of people haven't been more than a few hundred miles from the town they live in or were born in....
 
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Or actually even been there at all for that matter....

A very large percentage haven't...

Most people when they go on vacation etc they go to the beach or some cheap place like Aruba or take some really cheap deal on a Cruise that doesn't really go anywhere interesting...

So for the most part unless people have served time in the Military like the Navy or the Marines that really get around a lot or are Wealthy etc they haven't seen much....

A lot of people haven't been more than a few hundred miles from the town they live in or were born in....

Aruba cheap? :confused:
 
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