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An appeal for more balance
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(this darn finger)--
Appears to me that everyones got a dog in this fight! Tacticals, survivals, ghurkis, one handers, etc.. Uncle Bill makes a decent point. I've been looking for a good light duty folder (pocket knife if you will)that encompasses a good blade material, liner lock or lock back, thin, (now I want it with a clip) that will take one heck of an edge and keep it! Now my choice involves all of the latest technology developed in the past 5 years, but its not going to get me into or out of a knife fight. How about some new technology on the "gentlemen's knife". Not taking anything away from the upscale models, but there should be something out there for less than an Umfaan.
Appears to me that everyones got a dog in this fight! Tacticals, survivals, ghurkis, one handers, etc.. Uncle Bill makes a decent point. I've been looking for a good light duty folder (pocket knife if you will)that encompasses a good blade material, liner lock or lock back, thin, (now I want it with a clip) that will take one heck of an edge and keep it! Now my choice involves all of the latest technology developed in the past 5 years, but its not going to get me into or out of a knife fight. How about some new technology on the "gentlemen's knife". Not taking anything away from the upscale models, but there should be something out there for less than an Umfaan.
The tactical pot keeps simmering and has boiled over a couple times lately. It seems similar to the clash of interests, values maybe too, that happened when a rod and gun club that I use to belong to in SoCal experienced during a surge in membership and especially with practical pistol shoots. The club had to comb thru it's membership and require sponsors for prospective members as we ended up with yahoos cutting target frames in half with TEC-9s and other wanna be weapons, and when others said that people spent their time on weekends making the frames they were met with a foul mouth. At the practical pistol shoots where non-club members were invited we had to ban camo and offensive slogans on clothing, in an attempt to get the drugstore mercs to shoot somewhere else. It's not like we didn't appreciate some of the martial aspects of markmanship as a fair number of military personnel and law enforcement were members, including team shooters, but we were also interested in making sure that the range was a nice place to bring friends and family.
I guess the club regulars were trying to hang onto something that I remember, which was being around shooters and for the most part talking about group sizes, what loads worked best on deer, etc., and not constantly talking about double tapping perps or shooting it out with the feds. I remember people mainly looking at nice waterfowl pieces, varmit or deer rifles and such, while anymore all I see are people crowded around the concealable pistols and the 'assualt rifles'. Maybe Uncle Bill is trying to hang onto the same too.
I guess the club regulars were trying to hang onto something that I remember, which was being around shooters and for the most part talking about group sizes, what loads worked best on deer, etc., and not constantly talking about double tapping perps or shooting it out with the feds. I remember people mainly looking at nice waterfowl pieces, varmit or deer rifles and such, while anymore all I see are people crowded around the concealable pistols and the 'assualt rifles'. Maybe Uncle Bill is trying to hang onto the same too.
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Tactical Schmactical. Black-T? Just makes good sense. G10? Darn good grip. Chisel grind tanto blade? OK, well, I'll give you that one. But a knife such as the REKAT Carnivour is in reality one seriously hardy utility knife. Would it be considered tactical? Heck yes. Does this fact in any way take away or diminish the fact that it is made utilizing high quality materials, great ergonomics, strength beyond compare, and (IMHO) rakishly good looks? Negatory, good buddy. It's simply a darn cool knife that we love to talk about. I think we all need to remember that if you're not interested in a thread, avoid it. If you have something you'd like to talk about, by all means post away. Heck, I just got some new Henckels for the kitchen, and everyone here at work is already sick of me praising them! The point being this: sing the praises of whatever knife or knife subject you want. If no one responds, BTTT! We'll get with ya! Sorry if this ran on, but I was trying to be (ahem) tactical. LOL
BTW-just so you don't think I'm a total Tac-Head, Dr. Lathe is currently making me a Small Game that would only be considered defensive if my adversary was a trout! Beautiful little knife that should be just the thing for small game hunts and fishing! (please forgive the shameless bragging!)
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BTW-just so you don't think I'm a total Tac-Head, Dr. Lathe is currently making me a Small Game that would only be considered defensive if my adversary was a trout! Beautiful little knife that should be just the thing for small game hunts and fishing! (please forgive the shameless bragging!)
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johno:
That's exactly it. Very well said. Just the analogy I was thinking of myself.
I indeed wish more people at the gun clubs were interested in burled walnut stocks than in night-vision scopes.
That's exactly it. Very well said. Just the analogy I was thinking of myself.
I indeed wish more people at the gun clubs were interested in burled walnut stocks than in night-vision scopes.
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There's a familiar cammo-clad gun type who goes to such extraordinary lengths explaining why his tricked out AR-15 isn't really about killing feds that I can only quote Shakespeare, "Methinks he doth protest too much." If it really doesn't have anything to do with some kind of militaristic fantasy, why not wear a flannel shirt and show up with a 30/30?
I think it may be the same with some knife people and their "don't have anything to do with fighting" tactical folders.
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I think it may be the same with some knife people and their "don't have anything to do with fighting" tactical folders.
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Uncle Bill,
That is not a flame. It is a statement of belief. It does not demean you. It in my opinion describes the truth. Whether that truth is good or bad, is subjective. Am I wrong about you having a problem with people liking tactical knives? By what I have read in the past posts, I would have to say that I am not.
I have not at anytime flamed you or any member on this forum. I have been accused of it, by those that have flamed me. I have been flamed numerous times. I however have not flamed anyone. I have said things that people don't like. I have posted pictures, and that bothered some people. I have probably (unintentionally) bothered people in other ways. But I have never flamed anyone.
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Ouch! Sorry if I gave the wrong impression, Uncle Bill! One of the biggest reasons I love my Carnivour is BECAUSE it's tactical. And BTW, the walnut on my pre-64 is so pretty it would make you cry! I hear what you're saying though, and the gun club analogy was perfect. We sometimes do sound like rambo wannabe's, and it can be tiresome. But hey, BF is still my favorite place to be, and even if all the threads talk about butter knives, I'll be throwing my two cents in. (I've done a paracord wrap on my butter knives!)
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Uncle Bill
I to whould like to see more posts on traditional knives.I am 52 years old and have been carring pocket knives for over 40 years.I also own a lot of one handers,don't use them much but I sure do like them.some very well made knives,and fun to use,my point is we all have the right to use what ever type knife we want,we really should not lable one handers as tactical,I sure don't use mine for that purpose.I enjoy reading all the posts,traditional and modern.I also saw a post that you got a new spyderco,remember it's a one hander not a tactical,a knife is only what you want it to be.
Tony Paulos
I to whould like to see more posts on traditional knives.I am 52 years old and have been carring pocket knives for over 40 years.I also own a lot of one handers,don't use them much but I sure do like them.some very well made knives,and fun to use,my point is we all have the right to use what ever type knife we want,we really should not lable one handers as tactical,I sure don't use mine for that purpose.I enjoy reading all the posts,traditional and modern.I also saw a post that you got a new spyderco,remember it's a one hander not a tactical,a knife is only what you want it to be.
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This entire type of thread is ripe for flaming, If you want to expand the horizons around here, continue to post concerning your own interests, and you will quickly see whom is of like mind.
I don't frequent many of the forums here because they hold little interest to me, and I ignore many threads in the forums I do frequent for the same lack of interest. I hardly have enough time to follow the ones that catch my eye, so ignore the "What is the best $100.00 folder?" threads.
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James Segura
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I don't frequent many of the forums here because they hold little interest to me, and I ignore many threads in the forums I do frequent for the same lack of interest. I hardly have enough time to follow the ones that catch my eye, so ignore the "What is the best $100.00 folder?" threads.
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James Segura
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I guess I'd rather I'd see martial interests come off more as a public service than as unrealistic fantasy or even worse a really bad model, not unlike the way the NRA and the military promoted and supported hi-power rifle shooting, something that I use to do. We did have people show up in camo but they were Marines or Navy personnel, and the shoots were held at Camp Pendleton every month. One used either a 'match rifle', which was almost always Winchester Model 70 Target, or a service rifle which was either a Springfield M1A, M1 Garand or AR15 while the military used M14s or M16s. Some of the military showed up at the club to attend our rifle shoots, in uniform with their M16s, and they were not only always welcome but their attendance was appreciated. The same with law enforcement.
Maybe all that is needed is some idea of what kind of audience we think we're writing for, and to learn a few lessons from a lot our experiences with firearms.
Maybe all that is needed is some idea of what kind of audience we think we're writing for, and to learn a few lessons from a lot our experiences with firearms.
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Uncle Bill - I agree completely. That's why I've started threads about "traditional knives" and being "sick of black knives". I'm tired of all of the look-alike knives. I want something different. Different locks, different colors, different blade shapes/grinds/etc...
One of the best everyday utility knives is the sheepsfoot/wharncliffe style. A straight eged blade with a lowered point is best for doing many of the mundane everyday stuff - opening mail and boxes, cutting food packages open, cutting loose threads, etc... How much do we read about these blade shapes? Not much. It's all clip point, drop point, lotsa belly. Not that there's anything wrong with that - I just received my Speedtech Synergy that's ALL belly.
How about this for an everyday carry - A Rob Simonich Talonite Cetan in a straight hunter style. Add a sharpened top edge. You'd have lotsa belly when needed and a straight edge to boot and max corrosion resistance. Schweet!
BTW - for the life of me, I can't understand how some people take this thread as a slam on their knife(making) preferences.
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One of the best everyday utility knives is the sheepsfoot/wharncliffe style. A straight eged blade with a lowered point is best for doing many of the mundane everyday stuff - opening mail and boxes, cutting food packages open, cutting loose threads, etc... How much do we read about these blade shapes? Not much. It's all clip point, drop point, lotsa belly. Not that there's anything wrong with that - I just received my Speedtech Synergy that's ALL belly.
How about this for an everyday carry - A Rob Simonich Talonite Cetan in a straight hunter style. Add a sharpened top edge. You'd have lotsa belly when needed and a straight edge to boot and max corrosion resistance. Schweet!
BTW - for the life of me, I can't understand how some people take this thread as a slam on their knife(making) preferences.
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Did you check out the new knives on the opening page? Pretty sweet wharncliff Case XX. I'm beginning to see the attraction! Uncle Bill, this was a great post. It is an example of why I love Bladeforums. It generated discussion, ideas, good-natured banter back and forth, and above all, we discussed knives in theory and knives specifically. Thanks for posting it!
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Most people on these forums tend to talk about knives that are popular in the late 1990's because...we live in the late 1990's! Modern one-hand openers are superior in design, materials, and function. I may appreciate the look of a 1960's pocket knife, but I would never use one.
Come on, Uncle B. The last several posts I remember reading from you, you were singing the praises of the light-weight Calypso, a so-called "tactical" knife. If you want to talk about "traditonal" knives, then simply talk about them.
Come on, Uncle B. The last several posts I remember reading from you, you were singing the praises of the light-weight Calypso, a so-called "tactical" knife. If you want to talk about "traditonal" knives, then simply talk about them.
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The calypso jr. lightweight is a "tactical" knife??!! A 2.5-inch blade is "tactical"? Oh boy . . .
Oh, wait. Now I get it!!! It's for Dorothy to fight munchkins with . . . for tactics on the the yellow brick road.
Oh, wait. Now I get it!!! It's for Dorothy to fight munchkins with . . . for tactics on the the yellow brick road.
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LOL-OK, if we're going to classify the Calypso as "tactical", then I've got to throw in with Uncle Bill and say that we've all gone off the deep end! Not that it couldn't do some damage to the occasional flying monkey! It's good to get the humour going again!
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My 2¢...I'm no knife fighter and don't plan to be. Saying that I think "Tactical" is the latest catch word, fad if ou will. I agree with who ever said it is easier to type, and it makes it easier to sell too. After all this is about the almighty dollar. Supply und demand... "He's selling these new Tacticals and making a fortune we gotta get one out there" Catch words (like the "T" word) are just good copywriting. You won't see an ad hawking "A really handy one hand opening and closing knife"
And yes I'm sure there are a bunch of walter mitty's outthere and having the latest "Gut Twister Tactical" makes them bigger in their own eyes. But this will happen across the board from cars to boats to guns. Ignore them for they have not seen the light.
I like knives that lock securely, that open with one hand, and are pleasing to the eye. If that knife is what you call your (insert "T" word here) I just may call it my new knife, labels be darned. I rant...I also don't want to offend any makers out there, I can't do it therefore I greatly admire your talents, but in the end it is about the $ and putting food on the table. "Tactical (un)fortunatly sells.
Rant over, done with my 2¢
And yes I'm sure there are a bunch of walter mitty's outthere and having the latest "Gut Twister Tactical" makes them bigger in their own eyes. But this will happen across the board from cars to boats to guns. Ignore them for they have not seen the light.
I like knives that lock securely, that open with one hand, and are pleasing to the eye. If that knife is what you call your (insert "T" word here) I just may call it my new knife, labels be darned. I rant...I also don't want to offend any makers out there, I can't do it therefore I greatly admire your talents, but in the end it is about the $ and putting food on the table. "Tactical (un)fortunatly sells.
Rant over, done with my 2¢
I carried traditional style lockbacks for years, mine at least can easily be opened one handed, then carried lightweight synthetic handled lockblades for a few years, but now I'm carrying mainly a stockman again for the first time since I was a kid. Carbon steel at that. It's fun having three blades to play with again and useful due to the different shapes and types of sharpening. The carbon steel is better than what I've carried since I was a kid, and in addition to the fine edge and ease of sharpening it was surprising to see how well the carbon steel did on the 7 inch knife test. When I carry a lockblade now it's usually an Opinel :^) I'd like to see better steels offered too, something like D2 or such in a more traditional pattern, but not if it just results in another $100+ pocket knife.