an ebay bidding question

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I've learned a lot on these forums about ebay bidding and I really appreciate it. Can anyone direct me to the right place to ask them about people jacking up the bids on items? I recently looked at a mastercrafter's blacksmith clock. It went with 15 bids. Seven of those bids were from the same person, and not in response to other bidders. The person made 3 consecutive bids that jacked up the price by $22, with no other bids going on.

The person in question jacked up the price a bunch, but was not high bidder. Collusion?

I hate that kind of thing.

Gene Martin
 
Well, you can draw one of two conclusions 1. the guy was trying to be high bidder, bid several times and still was not high bidder, so gave up because that's all he was willing to bid, but no higher...or 2. he is a shill bidder(collusion) for the seller. It's hard to tell on a single item, but what you can do is go into prior auctions that either the seller or that bidder have sold or bid on, check the bid history of some of those auctions, and see if there is a common thread...if you don't see one it's hard to prove, but if you see this same guy bidding on many of the seller's auctions but not winning any or many of them, there is a likelihood they're working together. If you don't see this happening, maybe the guy just decided he didn't want to go any higher with his bids...

I got suspicious once about a guy who was bidding up one particular seller's knives all the time, but he was winning at least half of them. Turned out the seller was liquidating a whole collection, but did not want to sell them outright to this guy because he wanted to get highest market value for each knife, so he listed them on ebay, and the other guy wanted them bad enough that he happened to bid up many of the same guy's auctions, and won at least half of them. It looked suspicious like I said, but turned out to be kosher...
 
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I'm a very experienced buyer and seller on eBay. Cstorr2004 is correct. At the bottom of each eBay listing, where you enter your bid, there is a minimum amount you must enter for your bid to be accepted. Say the current bid for an item is $5, by someone named Smith, and the minimum bid is $1 more, so you bid $6. You may then get a screen that says your bid was not high enough. So you try $7. That turns out not to be high enough either. So you bid $8. You keep going in $1 increments until your bid is finally accepted. Say that is $11.

What that means is that Smith's bid of $5 was the highest amount necessary to display to other bidders at the time of Smith's bid, but that doesn't necessarily mean Smith only bid $5. He could have bid $10, but if a $5 bid would suffice at the time of the bid, that's what appears in the eBay ad. Now, if you check the bid history after your $11 bid was accepted, you will see six bids for Smith, his original $5 bid plus another automatic bid for each time you tried to outbid him and failed. That has nothing to do with the seller trying to jack up the bid price.

There are, of course, some dishonest people on eBay who fraudulently attempt to jack up the bid price on behalf of a seller, but this is most likely to happen with fairly high-ticket items where the payoff is worth the effort. A $22 payoff is unlikely to be that. In addition to being high ticket, the item generally has to be unique. If someone else is selling the same or similar items for a lot less, potential bidders will give that person their business. This is generally true of popular knives on eBay--Emerson, Kershaw, Spyderco, CRKT, and the like; there are nearly always multiple offerings from which to choose, and that keeps the prices more or less in line with each other.

Having said that, though, let me add this: I can't tell you how many auctions I've lost on eBay because bidders don't do their homework and find out what the items they bid on are worth before they start going crazy. They often end up paying a good deal more for a used or new but incomplete item from a private seller with no customer service or satisfaction guarantee who overcharges for shipping than that same item would cost new from a reputable online merchant with an 800 number to call, a return policy, and a reasonable charge for shipping. Sometimes two bidders get into a bidding war and bid an item sky high, well beyond the item's value, and driving away other bidders (like me), until one of them gets his Pyrrhic victory. In this situation, bidding becomes an act of machismo and an end in itself, rather than a means to win something at auction for a good price. There are a lot of nuts out there.
 
tried to buy repo sill plates off ebay for my 62 polara-the idiot seller bids against me again and again-i tell ebay- he still sells there,and he is the only guy that has the repo sill plates i need that i can find- wont have sill plates on the ol'e dodge anytime soon
 
I did some more looking at this particlar bidder. Om another item she bid 6 times in 3 minutes. There were no other bids going on. Either she needs to sit calmly for a bit, or being the cynic that I am, there is some collusion going on. Why else would someone bid against themselves?

And thanks, Cougar. I generally lirk on various forums. I mostly try to keep my mouth shut and ears open.

Gene
 
To respond to Wolfmann's question about bidding multiple times in order to meet (a presumably unposted) reserve: Sure, you could bit as often as you wish. As long as no one else has a higher bid, your bid should only appear once in the bid history.

Personally, I hate the idea of secret reserves. If you want a reserve, fine. Let us see it so that bidders for whom the reserve is too high can go on about their business. Knowing the reserve in advance also lets bidders who don't mind doing a little research check the reserve price against the same or similar items elsewhere to determine if the deal seems like it will be good. I've participated in mucho auctions for a fairly high-ticket item in which there were a dozen or more bidders and no one met the reserve price.

For my two cents, there is only one reason to place a bid in advance of an auction: If you can't be there to bid during the auction itself. Even then, an advance bid for a desirable item is sort of like a Hail Mary pass. Most often, early bidding merely drives up the auction price; only rarely does it result in a win for an early bidder. Yet I've seen bidders get into five-day bidding wars, in the process driving the auction price well above the retail price for the same item. Has me scratching my head.

I've found that for a great many reasonably popular items, there are certain days and times when success, while never guaranteed, is at least more favorable. Late Sunday night is one of them, if you can stay up. I've snagged a couple of brand-new fixed-blade Striders for 40% to 60% off list price by staying up until 3 am. On the other hand, for really popular items in which you're competing against kids--like iPods--all bets are off. I've never even come close to beating a kid who wanted something badly enough.
 
she bid 6 times in 3 minutes. There were no other bids going on.

Ebay's automatic bidding system bid for her 6 times in 3 minutes. You didn't see the other bids because they were all below the maximum she had given the automatic bidding system.

In general it doesn't pay to give any attention at all to what others are bidding. If they had any brains they wouldn't be shouting out their bids for you to hear anyway; they would snipe.
 
You can't bid against yourself on ebay. If you are the high bidder and you enter a higher bid the automatic system will only enter that amount if you get outbid.

A lot of people don't like it, but the only bidding I do is sniping.
 
Actually, you CAN bid against yourself on EBay :rolleyes:
I know, because I have done so. If you have placed a bid, and are the current high bidder, but decide to enter a higher maximum bid when the system is not telling you that you should, it will take your new maximum and bump the current bid by one increment. :jerkit: It happened to me a couple of times when I was new to the bay and wasn't going to be near a computer at the close of the auction. Now days, I'm pretty much snipe or skip.
 
Gene Martin said:
It went with 15 bids. Seven of those bids were from the same person, and not in response to other bidders. The person made 3 consecutive bids that jacked up the price by $22, with no other bids going on.
Sounds to me like no more than an inexperienced Ebayer. I've seen guys do this on knive auctions too, but they're mostly newbies (i.e. a 25 or less positive feedback count).

Razz
 
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