An idea......(Annual BFC Traditional)...

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Kohai999

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I think we missed the boat all these years.

We design the annual knife by group vote, and it is always interesting.

No one but us and the manufacturing company benefit.

I think we should tack on say, two dollars per knife, and donate the money to a charity, something like The United Way.

That way, there could be a little altruism attached to the project.

What do you think?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
I applaud any project that puts a focus on those in need...but it's a simple enough thing, (or should be), for everyone (who can afford to) to make it their business to support local, national and even international charities and relief efforts. Every little bit helps, as they say.
 
I applaud any project that puts a focus on those in need...but it's a simple enough thing, (or should be), for everyone (who can afford to) to make it their business to support local, national and even international charities and relief efforts. Every little bit helps, as they say.

I know that Elliott, and I'm sure we all do what we can....I just think that we can do something as a group on BFC that directly benefits others. I don't think that there would be too many Forumites that would balk at a $2.00 donation built into the price of the knife. If 100 knives were ordered that would be a nice $200.00 donation to a charity.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
A nice gesture, SG.
I prefer to do it this way, along with other stuff we do year 'round.
My extended family is breaking tradition this year. We usual draw lots, and buy a $100 present for the person we draw. Then no-one goes broke, and everyone gets a present, without overdoing the commercial aspect of the Christmas we celebrate. This year we are doing $10 presents, and pooling our $90 balances, to buy socks, underwear, and blankets for the way-too-many homeless people in Vancouver.
The shelter we target, protects men, women, and children.
 
My impression is that various issues render the forum knife's production fraught from year to year as it is....?

Let's finish this year's effort before talking about next year's.

At this point Gary and I are pretty unenthused with the prospect of going through this brouhaha again. It could be that time will make us foolish again.

Another layer of complexity and/or action is thus probably not recommended, and -- as well-meaning as the proposal-- not something I'd want to see added atop even if the forum knife's production went more smoothly. As others have noted, there are many other ways and places to give.

Plus, there are already surcharges evidently built-in to the cost of the Traditional Forum knife for, well, I'll quote Spark 'cause he's the only one who can say it here:
This is an increase over last year because of the number of knives that went "missing" during shipments and the pain in the ass it was.

;)

~ P.
 
I don't think we are foolish yet.
 
1. Cost of the knife is always contentious. If we're willing to add to what's expected, adding a sum for charity is not a bad idea. But note that there's a lot of push to stay under $100, and eve with fairly basic designs that's not been possible in the past 3 years.

2. The number of knives has been around 250 the past couple years, and that's been hard to sell. Is it possible we'll be able to line up a manufacturer for a smaller number?

3. Unless you add @ $10 per knife you're not talking a large sum of money in total. That would be a 8% increase in the retail cost (assuming the manufacturing cost does not increase).

4. At what point does the charitable donation get paid? This year Spark had to have pre-paid orders; does he collect the funds then and at that time pay the charity? If the donation is paid by him does he get the write off?

I think this would be best done if the limit to the totl number of knives was low enough to be more exclusive. If there were only 100 made (just an example) there would be more incentive to ignore the price point and making the purchase would be more competitive, so the cost would be less of an issue. But doing that means increasing the percent of the total cost donated, or sharply curtailing the expected amount raised.

Having watched this process several years now I think we need to recognize that:

1. Under $100 is not viable.
2. Over 250 total production is unlikely if anyone has to front the funds, or if prepayment is required.
3. The above will most likely raise the cost.
4. It is difficult to find a competitive bid based on the low overall value of this SFO (based on above points).
5. It is hard to get the members of this board to pay for the knives chosen.

In addition I feel the major reason it's difficult to get the funds (either before or after) is that four to five times as many participate in the "design/voting" part of the process as are actually willing to purchase the final result.

So, let me propose an alternate course of action: If there's to be another forum knife, every vote must have value. At $1 per vote we'd raise more (based on the last couple years total votes) than if we added a surcharge to each knife. If there are 10 polls then (at one vote per poll) an individual interested in making a donation to the process would lso donate $10 to the approved charity.

Yes, someone could "buy" enough votes to insure his prefered choice would win to polling, but with custom knife costs what they are that individual would be better off commisioning his own piece directly. Plus, this would limit the number of individuals who vote with little (or no) intention of actually buying the end result.

An even more up front COA would be to limit any voting to individuals who donate up front. Basically, you don't make a donation; you cannot vote on the design. This would allow the cost of the knife itself to be free of the burden of increased cost, limit those willing to take part in the process to one vote each, and would not force anyone to donate to a charity in order to purchase the knife. Plus the amount raised could be donated free and clear prior to tax time.

Just my $0.02.
 
I like the discussion. I think people are making valuable and intelligent contributions to the thread, and I appreciate it.

Fwiw, I also made this post as a past coordinator of the BFC Barlow, so I have a very good idea of what goes into the "back end" as it were.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
I work for a not for profit which caters to the needs of people with developmental disabilities. I work in the day program, working directly with adult clients, doing community integration, volunteer work as well as a focus on socialization, personal growth and enjoyment. My girlfriend works for the same company in administration. Have worked for a number of these agencies over the years and they are very grateful for any charitable donations. I'm always in for a fund drive for a good cause. Always give nonprofit.
 
This year's knife almost didn't make it due to the higher than previous years' costs, and the rather lackluster number of pre-purchasers. I don't know if adding in a charitable contribution would be a good thing.

I prefer to manage my charitable giving myself, and would view a $2 add-on fee as a form of tax to support a charity not necessarily of my choosing, but yet mandatory if I want to buy the forum knife.
 
We can barely agree on the knife pattern . . . . agreeing on the charity would be next to impossible.
 
I prefer to manage my charitable giving myself, and would view a $2 add-on fee as a form of tax to support a charity not necessarily of my choosing, but yet mandatory if I want to buy the forum knife.

That's exactly how I look at it.

We can barely agree on the knife pattern . . . . agreeing on the charity would be next to impossible.

Ain't that the truth!!!!:rolleyes:
 
I prefer to manage my charitable giving myself, and would view a $2 add-on fee as a form of tax to support a charity not necessarily of my choosing, but yet mandatory if I want to buy the forum knife.

That would be correct, and if the group supported the idea, and you did not....that says something right there.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Not having been involved with one of these runs before I was unaware of the intricacies and politics of the ordeal. I just thought eisman had some valid sounding points.
 
That would be correct, and if the group supported the idea, and you did not....that says something right there.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

No it does not, Steven.

Do not put words in other people's mouths. And do not make this personal, or this thread will be shut down.
 
I guess it would say that I disagreed with "the group." Conform or be cast out. Wasn't that a line from a Rush song?
 
I see it like this, Steven - you have a great idea, I personally wouldn't mind if we stuck on a extra $5, sell 200 knives that's a cool 1K to charity -and at the end of the day folks-does it REALY matter what charity gets the dosh - if it were for homeless, red cross, something that we as the lucky citizens of the 1st world Nations know that is a genuine Charity - I would feel good that a charity got this money.

The ONLY thing I like to know is that the charity chosen? puts the money into actual benefiting the cause - not the CEO's holiday in France, and I think its fairly easy to find Charity's who are known to utilize the major part of the donations towards their cause.
 
It's a nice idea, but I would echo everything Pertinux says in her post above. While I like the idea of a collectively designed and purchased forum knife, and think our members worked very hard to get the project accomplished, there were aspects of the process I really didn't like, not least the way the knife was priced (not necessarily the price itself), and that was the main reason I didn't order one (something I really haven't regretted). So, for me, the addition of a charity tax or not, is the least of it. I'm glad those that ordered a knife eventually got something they're (hopefully) happy with.

Jack
 
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