An Idea for Keith Montgomery

[Triton]

Keith,

I completely understand why you are doing what you are doing, but at this point I wonder how much merit bouncing some of these back to the top once a week or so actually has. Some of these clowns are obviously never going to make good on their bad deals and equally obviously never going to respond to any of the threads about them here. In the meantime prolonging the life of some of these threads merely has them clogging up the front page every week or so and the list is growing.

Instead of bouncing the offender's thread back up to the top every time maybe you could do that for some number of months or something and then have a sort of master thread, a kind of "hall of shame" if you will that you bounce up once a week that contains a list of all the bad guys in it. That way only a few threads get bounced every week instead of ten. Just a thought.

 

[DaveH]

How about a sticky at the top with a message and links to the appropriate threads?

 

[Triton]

How about a sticky at the top with a message and links to the appropriate threads?

That might be the way to go to, but we'd have to have a moderator's help with that I suppose.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

A sticky sounds like a good idea, but I find that for some reason a lot of people don't seem to notice them and they are missed.

I am not bouncing these threads because I have some misplaced hope that it will cause the offenders to make good, although that would be great. The reason I am doing it is to keep these names in front of people. A lot of people don't use the search feature to check out people and makers they are thinking of purchasing from or trading with. If there was an easier way to keep track of the deadbeats and thieves, I would certainly be open to giving it a try.

 

[Triton]

A sticky sounds like a good idea, but I find that for some reason a lot of people don't seem to notice them and they are missed.

I am not bouncing these threads because I have some misplaced hope that it will cause the offenders to make good, although that would be great. The reason I am doing it is to keep these names in front of people. A lot of people don't use the search feature to check out people and makers they are thinking of purchasing from or trading with. If there was an easier way to keep track of the deadbeats and thieves, I would certainly be open to giving it a try.

Yeah... you are right about the sticky bit... I wonder if maybe we could talk the administration around here into adding a "Hall of Shame" or some such as a subforum of this one...

 

[Haldir00]

Personal opinion, I applaud Mr Montgomery's intent, but I, too, think the continued BTTTs become a bit cumbersome. I think one of the purposes of the GBU, combined with the Search feature, is to do exactly what Mr Montgomery is attempting...give folks SA on good ones as well as potential problems. I would hate to see yet another process added to cover a situation that's already addressed. I hope it doesn't sound cold, but folks have the tools they need to figure out good from bad...let's put the responsibility on them to use those tools. Again, no intent to criticize what you guys are saying...just my $.02.

 

[Cliff Stamp]

If there was an easier way to keep track of the deadbeats and thieves, I would certainly be open to giving it a try.

Combine it all into one thread with the required references, or better yet make it a webpage which gets indexed aggressively by search engines. Constantly BTTT does nothing but add bloat and requires pruning. There are far more people who will google a maker than search here, especially with the way the search engine on Bladeforums is often unpoductive.

-Cliff

 

[bennytheblade]

But I like my weekly soap opera.

Honestly, I have always thought of what Keith does as showing that some people around here care enough to keep the noob or the old pro EASILY informed.

I would like a list of "good" guys and a list of "bad" guys tho.

Searching and stickies SHOULD work, but in reality they dont. Just like a helmet or a seatbelt, they dont work if you dont use them.

JM $.02

 

[TOMBSTONE]

A hall of shame in addition to the Ugly forum would be an interesting idea.It could have the names and other info on people that have screwed people so bad they deserve to be left at the forefront.People that have no integrity and have several bad dealings,basically the bad of the bad.If members want more detailed info,they then could do a search to find the threads.I would say this is better than bouncing threads every couple day's to keep up pressure,and keep those threads from growing enormously.

 

[Cougar Allen]

Gentlebeings, as we've said before every time this comes up, providing an open forum for people to report their experiences is very different from publishing a list of people we accuse of being crooks -- that's different legally as well as philosophically. Bladeforums gets sued often enough as it is....

 

[Keith Montgomery]

I knew there were lots of threats to sue, but didn't realize that people had actually gone through with it.

 

[ThreeWorlds]

Keith, I know I am fairly new here compared to lifers like you, Cliff Stamp, and well .... (checks post count) ... everyone else in this thread except Haldir, but I would like to extend a personal thank you for taking the time and effort to BTTT all the Blade/Reif/Corkum etc. threads.

Yes I find it cumbersome, yes it is tiring to read through a gajillion posts (god knows my head hurts after spending 2 hours reading through the Eich debacle >.<) just so someone can find out WTF is going on, but it's a lot better than being cheated out of $XXXX and if there hadn't been one thread up on the first page every day about either Corkum, Blade, or Reif those of us who are new(ish) and want to get into the customs might not know that searching here in the GB&U is a resource available to us.

Anyway, I know you've taken a lot of crap and been called a lot of names for what I believe to be your honest efforts to look out for everyone here, even those that are attacking you, and it's sure seems like a thankless job, so let me just say THANK YOU.

 

[Old Guy]

Keeping these threads going Keith is a good thing. Even though I have lost my money and knives, if keeping these threads going will save only one person from getting into the same predicament, then that has been well worth the effort. Thanks Keith.

 

[Triton]

Gentlebeings, as we've said before every time this comes up, providing an open forum for people to report their experiences is very different from publishing a list of people we accuse of being crooks -- that's different legally as well as philosophically. Bladeforums gets sued often enough as it is....

Sorry, thought I'd come up with something original there... I'd forgotten about legal implications... man we need some tort reform...

 

[Cliff Stamp]

... publishing a list of people we accuse of being crooks -- that's different legally as well as philosophically.

There would be no need to use such labels, there could simply be a sticky which links to unresolved conflicts, Bladeforums and its moderators don't have to be involved in any judgements in regards to the conflicts.

-Cliff

 

[G3]

Keith,
I've refrained from posting to this as I don't have any clear solution either. I do want to say I appreciate your efforts however. We need some kind of reminder regarding these open issues. If they never get resolved, fine. At least people can read and see for themselves. If they do get resolved, all the better. I would still rather see the posts and have the choice to read the last page or few posts that update every few days, than not. If the issue doesn't interest me at the moment I don't read it.

Not bashing (ny of you)but personally it sounds a little whiny to complain about having to constantly read thread titles that get BTTT. This is a forum and it will happen. I commend your effort and keep it up.

 

[Cougar Allen]

It is certainly a good thing that Keith and others keep the known active crooks near the top, but there is no substitute for running a search on every seller you're considering doing business with. You need to know more than which are on a short list of notorious crooks and which aren't before you decide, and you'll find out a lot more than that with a search.