an idea to protect consumers from getting ripped off...

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You know...I've just had a potentially controversial idea. Maybe it's been suggested before, but here goes.

See, when people come here to complain about getting ripped off and venting their frustrations, other people who don't read the post (i.e. b/c they are on vacation, or have not become BF members yet, etc.) never get to find out. In addition, posts are an inefficient and ineffective way to inform people of bad dealers/sellers, since they tend to get lost in the shuffle after a week or so. Thus, the bad apple always has the possibility to strike again successfully and to keep ripping people off.

I suggest to start a mechanism at BF where moderators or other people in control here can post a list of bad dealers/sellers. I mean, the really serious and documented cases where there is no doubt that the person in question was ripped off. If any dealers or sellers feel that they have been unjustly put on that list, then they can take their case up with whoever handles the list.

The list, of course, would be a permanent feature so anybody can access it anytime. Maybe this is a horrible idea, and of course I'm acting out mostly on instinct without refining it and thinking about important consequences, but I just felt inspired to try to help out these people. I try to put myself in their shoes and it would also feel horrible if I sent a M.O. for a substantial amount, only to be ripped off. Although you might argue that there are ways to trace the M.O. or catch the crook, it really comes at a big price as it takes time and patience to do this, not to mention the emotional stress that the victim has to go through. And, of course, the probability of failing to catch the crook is high.

I understand that privacy is something held dear by everyone, but when you commit illegal acts, you really give up that right and must face the consequences. If you feel unjustly accused, defend yourself. If anything, the moderators and other people placed in charge will act as a buffer to sort out good claims from bad ones, and will also count on a mechanism to reverse their decision to post on the list. Another plus to this system is the fact that legitimate dealers tend to be well-known throughout the forums, so if somebody would post a bogus claim, it should be easily identified as such and discarded. This has happened numerous times with great results.

Well, there you have a VERY rough sketch. Hopefully people will contribute to this idea and build something that can benefit the consumer/customer.

Just a suggestion. CONSTRUCTIVE comments are welcomed, flames ARE NOT.

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I think it would be "cool", however, I don't think BladeForums, wants the legal headaches. The best idea I could come up with was to start the list of good people to deal with. Maybe we can make THAT official.
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Ya its a great idea,but there are legal issues like ie.slander etc.It would be very time consuming for BF to sort out all the BS claims,which they probably don't have time for.Posts can go out of rotation quickly,but all they have to do is put in the name of the dealer in the search function to come up with a past history.
 
Look at the top of the page where it says "search." Click on that and you can search this forum for any dealer you're considering doing business with, read all the posts about him, and make up your own mind.

-Cougar :{)
 
I posted an answer to this precise comment about the search feature on the Blade Discussion forum. Search feature is imperfect at best when dealing with individuals...kinda tired right now to post it here so please check the thread over at that forum...gnight...

-Flood
 
I agree with Cougar. It also is hard for BF to police other dealers because of WOW and 1SKS.

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Here's an opportunity for a demonstration.
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I searched the Blade Discussion Forum for posts by Flood containing "search" and found the post in a few seconds. In the thread http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum54/HTML/003114.html

Originally posted by Flood:
Doing a search on a forum is useless especially when you're not dealing with a company. Usually when you get ripped off, it is by an individual who poses using one of those funny usernames. They can change it at will (for those of you who have witnessed recently the Dirty Dave fiasco, you know what I mean) and IP checks are just not a practical solution. Thus, doing a search on these types is useless.

Your objections to using the search function are not clear to me. If someone is using a new identity and has never been posted about under that name so the search function won't find it ... how could that name be in your proposed list?

It's not so easy for swindlers to conceal their identities, by the way. They have to give a valid snailmail address and a name they can cash money orders with in order to receive payment, and most buyers want a valid phone number from sellers, too. That's enough information for the Mail Fraud Division to track them down very quickly as a rule.

-Cougar :{)
 
I'll agree with Coug here. I had a transaction on Ebay and got E-screwed. I did however have the guys name address and phone and gave it to the postal inspectors. It took over 2 months but I got my 255.00 back - I don't know what happened to him but he's no longer on Ebay under his alias. The Post office is slow,but they do come through when given sufficient info.
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Cougar, thanks for your useful comments and response made about my post. I really value your opinion as an individual and a forum moderator.

I agree that there is a major "Achilles Heel" in my idea when we consider that people can change usernames at will. The list would certainly not solve this problem. Maybe the most useful solution to this particular problem, as you suggested, would be to find out from other forum members or using the search feature to see if the person is recognized at all as a dealer with good standing. Of course, that would mean that new dealers could be at a disadvantage since they have no prior history of transactions.

In that same post you mentioned, I also commented that:

"Maybe people should be more wary of doing business with people that are not reasonably known in BF. I mean, I would never do business with an individual who I haven't seen posting with constructive or useful comments on any knife-related topic. When I recently purchased a BF Native (drooool) I made sure that the person was legit. The list, IMHO would be a useful tool for this end."

After pondering for a while about my initial proposal, I can see the difficulty in creating and maintaining the list. I guess it would not constitute a panacea to the dishonest dealer problem, but it would certainly help as a tool. Maybe there are many people out there who don't change their usernames, or who can be identified by e-mail addresses. Those could certainly be identified, thus saving the purchaser valuable time in identifying a bad deal.

As it is, though, I envision this potential project as such a huge and difficult task, as to most probably make it impractical. I agree somewhat with the rather new adage of "customer beware when making deals through the internet". People should really take care in making sure that they are dealing with a legit person, and are obliged of course to assume the risk of getting ripped-off. That's what I do, and fortunately have had no problems yet(knock on wood).

Maybe people can come up with ways to refine my idea or come up with others. I just really hate to see people getting ripped-off, and would of course hate for it to happen to me. I always see BF as a place where solutions could be presented. It would certainly be cool to keep seeing BF evolve into a more efficient tool to protect consumers and keep helping honest dealers make a living.


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