Back in '08 I made a strange discovery. A line of kitchen knives made prior to 1953 by Landers Frairy & Clark under their "Universal" branding with "Old Timer" heat embossed in script on the wood handles. I bought both a pareing and butcher knife as examples. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/570971-A-different-Old-Timer!?highlight=Landers Of course this flew in the face of the "Old Timer" name creation myth put out by the Baer brothers and their Schrade Sales Manager Bob Ernst, known as "Deacon". Yesterday I was cruising a thread started by Blues in the Traditional Forum of old catalog and ad postings when something jumped out at me, a c. 1945 magazine ad by Kabar posted by Trent Rock. I don't hold out much hope of finding a surviving example, particularly given that the "Old Timer" identifier on the Kabar is a blade etch, not a more durable emboss or shield. But I thought you guys would like to see a bit more of the genesis of the "Old Timer" brand name. And the ad suggests that this is a post-war reintroduction of the branding. Anyone seen a pre-war ad for a Kabar Old Timer?