Announcing the NEW 15060-1801 Exclusive!!

Not everyone wants to pay for 20CV or S90V in every knife we offer either.

Which is why the Special Editions should feature upgraded materials and the original knife would remain vanilla with no sprinkles. You know...so everyone is happy...not just Mr. Neverownedaknife that needs to blow the Cabela's gift card he forgot he had.

Also, 20CV is a $10 option over S30V on your Custom Knife Builder. This "Special Edition" Grizzly Creek is $10 more expensive than the original. If you put 20CV on this knife with the G10 for $20 more than the original, I don't believe most knife buyers would bat an eye at the extra dough. If you can't sell the advantages of the better materials, that's a problem with your marketing department.

Also, also, "Not everyone wants to pay..." is coming from a company that just released a $1000 cigar cutter while pumping out $200+ knives with industry-known QC issues made of 15-year-old materials. Stop letting your accountants design knives, and we might stop b****ing about the boring overpriced crap you keep releasing.

I've been a member of this forum for over 9 years, and I watched as the innovation began slowing down. I thought it was a temporary thing, but this post more or less indicates that you guys simply don't care about "being the best" anymore. Sad.
 
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Which is why the Special Editions should feature upgraded materials and the original knife would remain vanilla with no sprinkles. You know...so everyone is happy...not just Mr. Neverownedaknife that needs to blow the Cabela's gift card he forgot he had.

Also, 20CV is a $10 option over S30V on your Custom Knife Builder. This "Special Edition" Grizzly Creek is $10 more expensive than the original. If you put 20CV on this knife with the G10 for $20 more than the original, I don't believe most knife buyers would bat an eye at the extra dough. If you can't sell the advantages of the better materials, that's a problem with your marketing department.

Also, also, "Not everyone wants to pay..." is coming from a company that just released a $1000 cigar cutter while pumping out $200+ knives with industry-known QC issues made of 15-year-old materials. Stop letting your accountants design knives, and we might stop b****ing about the boring overpriced crap you keep releasing.

I've been a member of this forum for over 9 years, and I watched as the innovation began slowing down. I thought it was a temporary thing, but this post more or less indicates that you guys simply don't care about "being the best" anymore. Sad.

Valid points, Cypress Cypress

I paid the extra for a Custom Shop model to get 20cv. Sprint runs usually offer a different blade steel in other companies that go along with the price increase.
 
Which is why the Special Editions should feature upgraded materials and the original knife would remain vanilla with no sprinkles. You know...so everyone is happy...not just Mr. Neverownedaknife that needs to blow the Cabela's gift card he forgot he had.

Also, 20CV is a $10 option over S30V on your Custom Knife Builder. This "Special Edition" Grizzly Creek is $10 more expensive than the original. If you put 20CV on this knife with the G10 for $20 more than the original, I don't believe most knife buyers would bat an eye at the extra dough. If you can't sell the advantages of the better materials, that's a problem with your marketing department.

Also, also, "Not everyone wants to pay..." is coming from a company that just released a $1000 cigar cutter while pumping out $200+ knives with industry-known QC issues made of 15-year-old materials. Stop letting your accountants design knives, and we might stop b****ing about the boring overpriced crap you keep releasing.

I've been a member of this forum for over 9 years, and I watched as the innovation began slowing down. I thought it was a temporary thing, but this post more or less indicates that you guys simply don't care about "being the best" anymore. Sad.

Nice rant. I am sorry you feel this way. I would have thought that the $1000 cigar cutter with a new mechanism would have been thought of as innovative?. Benchmade is actually doing amazing. It's a great company really and I am proud to be a member of the team.
 
By most standards, I haven't been in the hobby for long, but this is my take on things (apologies in advance for the long post):

Benchmade is not Spyderco; and if we're being honest, Spyderco does a good job of spoiling us knife aficianados with tons of designs and nearly as many sprint runs in exotic steels not many other modern folding knife manufacturers seem to be using. One can make the argument that Spyderco is setting the bar in this regard and form their own opinions as to how Benchmade (and other companies) compare.

Having said all that though, it would seem to me at least that Benchmade has taken a lot of steps in directions that they haven't previously before. From knives like the Crooked River/Mini Crooked River, to the Bugout to the Anthem and others, they've put forth a lot of extremely well received designs in the last couple years that have kept them moving along and into new territory (at least for them) imho. They made their first integral and in doing so, redesigned the AXIS lock (which I find to be superior to the traditional Omega spring set up). They introduced a modern slip joint in the Proper Family, etc.

While I do agree that perhaps they could make their limited editions "more special" by upgrading from the prevalent S30V, there are a variety of Benchmade dealer exclusives already making use of more premium steels, not to mention the availability of almost total customization through their custom shop for select models.

I'm not oblivious to the problems and issues that some (more than some on BF?) seem to have with them (QC issues - which I've been lucky to have no major first hand experience with, their overwhelming love of S30V, their cost relative to similar specced knives from other manufacturers and other things that may escape my mind atm) and in no way am I trying to discredit those critiques as likely, they can help the company to do better in the future.

At the end of the day though, every company has weaknesses. Benchmade has theirs. However, I find that as an American company making their knives in-country at a single manufacturing facility (afaik), they continue to put out products that are unique and unlike other designs elsewhere and compelling enough for me to come back time and again, which is likely one reason as to why I own so many. Another reason being that while they may have their issues with sub par blades leaving the production floor, they stand behind their products like few others in the industry seem to (again, in my admittedly limited experience). Everytime I've seen someone report a problem with their Benchmade here, two things usually seem to happen; the first being a quick response from B BKC Customer Service inviting whomever to give them a call and a chance to make it right, followed by a report back from the individual later stating they were happy how things were resolved.

Cypress Cypress I don't expect myself, or anyone else for that matter, to really change your mind on this topic, and I respect that. In fact, as I alluded to before, I agree with a lot of your criticisms. But I really don't think you're making too much, if any progress in your quest to see the changes you seek, by posting in just about every Benchmade thread concerning a new exclusive they're announcing, with what essentially amounts to "NO MORE S30V"! I think by now, those at Benchmade who need to know this have heard the message by now loud and clear. It's just my supposition, but I believe that in this case, the more you saturate them with this messenge, the more they're going to dismiss it, or start to tune it out as it just being a vocal few.

Of course, I could be completely wrong, but as always, that's just my $0.02.
 
Man if your sick and tired of Benchmade then why are you here ? To whine about the same old crap I guess. I will tell you how bad Benchmade sucks. Down here in South Texas most places have many Benchmades, some ZT's and maybe two or three Spyderco models. When I asked them to carry more Spyderco models they just tell me they don't sell and sit forever. People say they just look too goofy and don't like them. Plus their Benchmades have served them very well. I never hear the complaints that some here bring up. They just take the knife out of the box, throw the box away and put their new Benchmade in their pockets and go to work.
It's a very harsh environment down here and believe me they beat the crap out of knives and don't ever do
 
"Not everyone wants to pay..." is coming from a company that just released a $1000 cigar cutter while pumping out $200+ knives with industry-known QC issues made of 15-year-old materials. Stop letting your accountants design knives, and we might stop b****ing about the boring overpriced crap you keep releasing.
Some of your points are valid, others on the other hand are questionable. The cigar cutter is a special gizmo and is not a bread and butter item, poor example. Whether a material originated or was in style 15 years ago or 1000 is irrelevant. A material either works, doesn't work, or something exists that is superior. S30V, 440C, VG-10, and a myriad of other steel types aren't the latest and greatest, but they still work and are better priced. Sorry if you feel the materials are dated, knives overpriced, and QC lacking. That unfortunately is part of globalization squeezing American manufacturing who are pressed hard trying to deliver value at a competitive price. Benchmade has been slow to innovate, but they have been moving forward.

My 0.02$ Benchmade needs to spend more time fitting the lock engagement on their folders, i.e. testing for lock rock etc.
 
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At the end of the day though, every company has weaknesses. Benchmade has theirs. However, I find that as an American company making their knives in-country at a single manufacturing facility (afaik), they continue to put out products that are unique and unlike other designs elsewhere and compelling enough for me to come back time and again, which is likely one reason as to why I own so many. Another reason being that while they may have their issues with sub par blades leaving the production floor, they stand behind their products like few others in the industry seem to (again, in my admittedly limited experience). Everytime I've seen someone report a problem with their Benchmade here, two things usually seem to happen; the first being a quick response from B BKC Customer Service inviting whomever to give them a call and a chance to make it right, followed by a report back from the individual later stating they were happy how things were resolved.

I think this is a key point. While I would also like to see more variety in the existing models, I think manufacturing constraints are probably a bigger issue than gets mentioned. It just isn't always possible to offer multiple options.
 
I’ve not seen negativity the likes of this anywhere else on the manufacturers forums. More and more comments in here are crossing a line from “feedback from the knife enthusiast community” over to flat out vitriol. Benchmade is Sparks guest here on Bladeforums and deserves to be treated with respect. There are a handful of members who continually make it apparent that they only wish to spread negativity in this forum. Please do us all a favor and stay away from the Benchmade forum if all you intend to do is be inflammatory.
 
I don't know that I agree with that. I bought my first Benchmade after they increased MAP and forced retailers to enforce it. I thought I had just bought a knife from the devil after reading comments in this forum.

My apologies to anyone I have offended, including Jimmy as I appreciate his presence here.

I have spent a lot of money on new Benchmade but I cannot pay the prices that Benchmade is charging for most of their knives in S30v. I have sought out exclusives and payed their custom shop prices to get what I want.

I'm fine with some knives in S30v depending upon design, use, and price just as I am with other steels. With that being said I won't mention it again. As Jimmy stated above they're aware of complaints so there's no use in voicing them any longer.
 
I often wonder if the people who obsess over the newest steels actually use their knives or are more the hyper-gearhead type found in every hobby? If all you do is cut envelopes and boxes, why does it matter if it is "only" S30V? This obsession is a little bizarre from the perspective of a knife user, especially when it goes from playful poking to aggressive complaining.

I think it is great that Jimmy posts here but I don't envy the guy - it can't be fun dealing with chronic complainers and the like. Every time they post a new release here people complain and complain; why would they put serious stock in this forum? I understand brand loyalty, but Benchmade doesn't owe you anything and if you don't like their new offers, prices, and materials then just stop buying and following Benchmade. It reminds me of when people demanded that they had a right "as collectors and investors" to know intimate details of Chris Reeve's relationship with his wife and family.

People have to take a step back and realize they are talking about cutting tools. Go out and have fun with your knives, it's not just about buying more and more of the newest thing.
 
I often wonder if the people who obsess over the newest steels actually use their knives or are more the hyper-gearhead type found in every hobby? If all you do is cut envelopes and boxes, why does it matter if it is "only" S30V? This obsession is a little bizarre from the perspective of a knife user, especially when it goes from playful poking to aggressive complaining.

I can't speak for everyone but I will for myself. If I didn't use my knives I wouldn't know what I like. I have had and still have S30v. M390/20cv isn't the latest and greatest but is a steel that I've used and sharpened and find it to outperform S30v in edge retention but not require a ton more in maintenance and sharpening. I do not care for s90/110v because the maintenance doesn't add up to the performance.

Again going back to what I said earlier. I don't mind S30v depending on the use, design, and price.


I think it is great that Jimmy posts here but I don't envy the guy - it can't be fun dealing with chronic complainers and the like. Every time they post a new release here people complain and complain; why would they put serious stock in this forum? I understand brand loyalty, but Benchmade doesn't owe you anything and if you don't like their new offers, prices, and materials then just stop buying and following Benchmade. It reminds me of when people demanded that they had a right "as collectors and investors" to know intimate details of Chris Reeve's relationship with his wife and family.

You are correct. They owe me nothing and I owe them nothing. Anytime you have a public forum (this one, their own, or social media) you open yourselves up to feedback and criticism. I have defended this brand over QC and other complaints. I like Jimmy and we've spoken directly to clear the air. He's a good guy.

People have to take a step back and realize they are talking about cutting tools. Go out and have fun with your knives, it's not just about buying more and more of the newest thing.

We do - that's why we're here. If there wasn't evolution in the cutting industry it wouldn't be much fun. People get knocked for wanting the "latest and greatest" but most here aren't rocking 420hc in their pockets. 154cm at one point was an evolution and Benchmade knows they have to stay relevant so they made a move to S30v as their baseline. Proving that steel matters. The issue for me and some others is that other brands are producing similar knives in that steel for much less and others are putting out their new knives in steels that are more current for similar money giving the end user a better value.
 
I often wonder if the people who obsess over the newest steels actually use their knives or are more the hyper-gearhead type found in every hobby? If all you do is cut envelopes and boxes, why does it matter if it is "only" S30V? This obsession is a little bizarre from the perspective of a knife user, especially when it goes from playful poking to aggressive complaining.
If I didn't use my knives, I wouldn't care about what steel they use. M390 and 20CV outperform S30V by quite a large margin in my experience. Especially when you sharpen with more acute angles.

If I didn't like Benchmade knives, I wouldn't even comment. But for someone that owns multiple Benchmade knives and wants to buy more, I'm not going to pay a premium for the same exact steel that the original version has. Especially when their competitors produce sprint runs and limited editions with better handle materials AND better steel.

We're also not advocating that they get rid of S30V as their preferred steel.
 
I wouldnt even mind more knives in cpm154. Seriously.

Also, I think Benchmade is listening. They have adapted and changed, grown and thrived with their strong foundation and their customers support and feedback. (I believe they will come along, similar to their Oregon brotheren ZT and start making more knives out of at least s35vn.)

One thing that confuses me though is when it's brought up the corrosion resistance and using m4 isn't beneficial but use D2 often?

Either way. Benchmade knives cut great for me! It's all about that axis lock baby

*sorry my post has nothing to do with this knife ;)
 
One thing that confuses me though is when it's brought up the corrosion resistance and using m4 isn't beneficial but use D2 often?

Good observation. In fact D2 is actually somewhat corrosion resistant especially when compared to M4. Although D2 is much less corrosion resistant than S30V, 20CV, S90V etc.
 
I also would doubt that the target market for this knife is going to enjoy sharpening S90V.

It depends on the hunter. Some really do value edge holding when skinning animals. The Altitude is part of the Hunt line, was introduced for this reason and features S90v. So releasing a sprint in the Hunt Line in S90v would make sense.
 
It depends on the hunter. Some really do value edge holding when skinning animals. The Altitude is part of the Hunt line, was introduced for this reason and features S90v. So releasing a sprint in the Hunt Line in S90v would make sense.

I agree that there are exceptions, but I said that as the person who every hunting season has to be the one to put edges on what seems like 50 knives because my buddies can't get their knife sharp.
 
I agree that there are exceptions, but I said that as the person who every hunting season has to be the one to put edges on what seems like 50 knives because my buddies can't get their knife sharp.

I get it man. I usually help out people with sharpening too.
 
Isn't this a rehash of the old Grizzly Creek, except it has G-10 scales? I had one of the Grizzly Creeks before, and this looks identical, save for the scales.
 
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