Another Bear Thread. Timothy Treadwell didn't fare so well singing to the bears.

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Hoghead sent this article to me a little while ago, very interesting. Proves that singing to grizzlys doesn't calm their wild instincts.:rolleyes: ;)


Here is another viewpoint.
And another.
 
It's interesting that some people think of bears (and other potentially dangerous animals) almost as humans, yet disregard the violent behavior that people display toward one another on occasion.

Not every person in the world reacts well to a stranger stepping into their personal space and greeting them - especially a desperate person. The bear in question was described as being "large but scrawny" and having "bad teeth"...at least, that was the bear that was in the area when the rangers arrived and it charged them.

If I can't trust every person that I meet, how can I trust a predator in the wild? It's simple. I can't. (Or rather, I can trust them to try to eat me if they're hungry enough.)
 
The thing that strikes me the most is that Treadwell refused to carry a weapon. Yet, according to the tape, he is heard yelling to his girlfriend to get a cast-iron pan to ward them off with. Seems he suddenly had "great clarity of thought"...:rolleyes:



Chalk this one up as "Suicide by Bear". :(
 
Daniel Koster said:
The thing that strikes me the most is that Treadwell refused to carry a weapon. Yet, according to the tape, he is heard yelling to his girlfriend to get a cast-iron pan to ward them off with. Seems he suddenly had "great clarity of thought"...:rolleyes:
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Unfortunately, the lessons best learned are usually permanent. As they say, hindsight is 20/20.

Perhaps others will learn from his example.
 
We have become so seperated from our own spirits that we have begun to see nature through a disney induced mental haze .
 
When you fail to take something dangerous seriously, you kill yourself.

Be it the sea, a bear, or any other danger.

Treat danger with respect, if you want to be old someday.

On a lighter note, I just gotta hear that audio.

Wonder if "Winston Cubby-Bubby" ate him?

Jerk. He got some woman and 2 bears killed also.


Ad Astra

:rolleyes: :( :confused: :foot: :barf: :thumbdn:
 
Guys,

It's unfortunate that an innocent woman died needlessly. In his case, death assured that he did not pass his genes on to the next generation... Sometimes, a little chlorine needs to be put in the gene pool... In his case, unfortunately, it wasn't soon enough... :rolleyes:

Oh, and this is just another of a never ending list proving that "Stupidity is its own reward." Fatal, too...;)

Carter
 
"Common sense will tell you that this man knows infinitely more about grizzly bears than anyone." That's Hollywood screenwriter Robert Towne ("Chinatown"), also active in the late Treadwell's animal rightist group, "Grizzly People," headquartered in Malibu.
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Common sense? Not something any hollywood animal rights guy is qualified to comment on.

Too Bad those bears had to be killed. :( That buffoon deserved his fate. The woman did as well- she was obviously just as stupid and deluded as Treadwell.(she was with him and believed the same BS) I am not sadistic, but I see zero loss when people that far out and idiotic get killed doing what can only be described as the most foolish activity imaginable.

Now excuse me, I have this plan to use body language to live in harmony with Saltwater Crocodiles. Really, they are just misunderstood, gentle creatures. :rolleyes:
 
""I want to be unconditional love and kindness to them," he sighed to a mesmerized David Letterman. "I want to live with them and go with them and not carry something that will hurt them. I mastered a way of interacting with them with body language that enables me to be in extremely close contact with them. Grizzly bears are really just big party animals. I discovered that singing soothes these bears."

What nonsense. I would rather juggle sticks of dynamite.

One question. Why couldn't the bush pilot carry his Rem 870?

Ice
 
Seems to me that October is not a good month of the year to go visit and hug Mr. Bear, who is shoveling in as much food as he can, so he can get ready to go hibernate for the winter.
 
No wonder. You're not supposed to *sing* Luther Vandross songs, you're supposed to *play* them. That's always the last mistake.
 
Green Ice said:
One question. Why couldn't the bush pilot carry his Rem 870?

Ice
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The way I understood it, he was supposed to have the gun, but had left it behind for some reason.

The firsthand account of the incident with the silent sneaking killer bears was pretty crazy- kind of creepy. I wonder if that behavior is at all common? Or did the moron "bear expert" create a localized phenomenon by making the bears used to/unafraid of humans and giving them a taste.
 
the terrible thing is his 'reasearch & education' and example to other have ,by the comments attached to the last of yvsa's ref., deluded others into his world view to whom even his gory death and the death of his obviously not so convinced girlfriend has not corrected the initial incorrect programming.

he has not protected one animal (caused direct death of at least 4, 2 homo sapiens & 2 ursus horribilus, and probably more via his passed on delusions of godhood), or created one acre of additional wildlife sactuary, and has not added more than one fact to our understanding of bears - the one fact being that when they are around we are NOT at the top of the food chain.
yet there are still animal rightists out there who refuse to accept reality who think he is a 'hero' and has justified his death.

i've lived in kodiak, alaska & been silently followed by a griz in the forests of kodiak & picked up a healthy respect for them (carried a .300 win. mag at the time). i also live with 140 lb. of almost pure wolf genes, and while they are loved and 'love' me back, i never think of them as people. they are dogs and must be treated as such or their instincts will someday surprise. they must be treated according to their rules, not ours.

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If they don't want me to eat animals - why do they make them out of MEAT?
 
Just another example of humans trying to "master" something that mother nature has put in place as a great equalizer. Humans are unique, although very stupid, animals in that we feel that we can reach another level of existance through communication, compassion, and understanding. We can. Over 100s of 1000s of years we have entered a covenant with many animals to share this world with as subservant partners. Dogs, cats, horses, ferrets, hamsters, donkeys, parrots, kangaroo rats, cigar-smoking chimps, carnival-won gold fishes, et al. Notice that none of the animals we have allowed into our little world can easily kill and eat us.
Bears are the things of nightmares. Like big cats and sharks, bears are uber killers. We were never meant to take windy walks with them hand in paw. Deep down, each and everyone of us is frightened of what a bear is. You go to the zoo and chuckle a nervous laugh as you see a 1500lb lump of shifting fur and muscle. You know it can't get you. Now, think about that same monster lumbering through the forest. It's huge, but by God it's fast and quiet. You don't notice it until you're right up on it. The filtered light through the trees have broken up it's outline and your snubby little nose can't detect it. Now you're right on top of it. Right within reach of it's massive arms and jaws. You have more brains, but this thing can outsprint the fastest human and when it hits you it'll be like a VW bug running over you. It can smell you where ever you go, chase you where ever you go, go where you go. It can tear you to pieces as easily as we shuck an ear of corn.
Now, which would you rather have? A .454 cocked and shakingly pointed at the monolith...or just a song in your heart?

It's a shame when any human suffers a horrible fear-filled death. However, some people just need killin'. For God's sake, we will never bend nature totally to our whim. She has filled the woods and jungles with teeth and claws and hunger for blood. There are some places that will simply haunt man. We will tremble and not enter. We will go back to playing with our puppies, and kittens, and little birds we teach to say "helll-lo". We will feel proud at our dominance over the animal world...but the monsters will always be there.

Jake
 
I'd read this before. What makes us humans so arrogant to think that every inch of the earth is meant for us to "share" with the animals? Leave them be. I admire and respect bears as well, but I sure as hell don't want to be within 3 meters of any.
I'm hoping the NJ black bear hunt gets re-opened, actually.
 
Vivid memories of a day spent fishing on the Marble River in northern Vancouver Island. Came 'round a bend, and saw a mom and two cubs out fishing too ... with better results than me. About 300 yards away. I quietly turned and walked back upstream. I was playing in their backyard; they weren't playing in mine.

t.
 
I'd support a plan to re-introduce large predatory animals into human habitats....

Just think: little Johhny is waiting for the school bus, when suddenly his friend Billy is jumped by a mountain lion! Is Johhny going to start singing Burt Bacharach or pull out his khukri?

Hey, at least people would stop listening to fools like Treadwell if they had to fend off bears on the way to the grocery store. :D Humanity is fat and bloated with useless, delusional people who would be quickly removed by close proximity to some of nature's more fearsome dinner guests.

-Tycho-
 
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