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Another case of billing for a rescue...

I recall that the reason the boy scout was charged for the rescue expenses was for negligence. He purportedly injured his ankle while on a hike and instead of turning around, he kept hiking? I'm not sure?

This girl simply got stung by a bee and had an allergic reaction to the venom. The co-hikers administered the benadryl and failed to stem the reaction....so they called for help. I just don't think she should be charged for that, especially since she took all the necessary precautions. She had the benadryl, she was not alone on the hike, she was in good health otherwise.

If the County & the State Police can't decided who's responsible for the bill....I say they fight it out in court. Besides, aren't rescue services supposed to be paid for by our tax dollars?
 
As I argued a long time ago, once the law is passed for a legitimate or semi-legitimate reason, then the cash cow is harnessed. It's government, what do people expect? It's rotten to the core. Do people expect "Fish and Game" or "Department of Natural Resources" to be less of a corrupt bureaucracy than others? They found their cash cow after all of these years.
 
bobbywett said:
This girl simply got stung by a bee and had an allergic reaction to the venom. The co-hikers administered the benadryl and failed to stem the reaction....so they called for help. I just don't think she should be charged for that, especially since she took all the necessary precautions. She had the benadryl, she was not alone on the hike, she was in good health otherwise.
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Yeah, by the way, it is negligence, don't you know? People who are allergic to bees shouldn't be able to go out and enjoy a state park or something without getting saddled with bullshit "rescue fees," etc.

THAT could happen to any one of you. You might not be allergic today, but the next bee sting might bring it right on, that is the nature of allergies.

Edited to add: They are probably saying there was negligence because Benadryl is not the proper treatment for Anaphylaxis, an Epi-Pen is.
 
From the article:The girl immediately broke into hives, began fading in and out of consciousness and was unable to walk, Turcotte said. Her friends gave the hiker Benadryl, an injection of epinephrine and then more Benadryl, but she failed to fully recover.
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They did give her an Epi. Perhaps if she had known that the current recommendation is TWO Epi-pens, she might have been able to make it out on foot.

Bottom line is, this is B.S. and a lot of people that supported it might just regret it later on. You step on a trail as far as government IS going to be concerned in the future with dollar signs in their beady little eyes - negligent!
 
I went back and corrected that while you was readin'. :D

Hey, doing everything right? Negligent! Shouldn't have went in the woods! Should have stayed home and played a PlayStation Game about being in the woods with a simulated bee sting.
 
This is a contentious subject, no doubt, but look at it another way. How about if this woman was walking down the street in town, had a severe allergic reation to an insect bite, and called an ambulance. In many if not most places she would be charged for the paramedics and ambulance ride to the hospital. Why should it be different if she is out in the woods?

Sure, it would be wonderful if such care was free no matter where you were in need (city or woods) but the money does have to come from somewhere to pay for the service and it does not all that unreasonable to me that those who benefit from the serivice should be asked to bear some of the financial burden.

Don Rearic said:
Edited to add: They are probably saying there was negligence because Benadryl is not the proper treatment for Anaphylaxis, an Epi-Pen is.
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Actually, Benadryl is an antihistamine and so is a proper treatment for a allergic reation. Probably not the first choice and not as effective as Epinephrine (the drug in an Epi-pen) but still much better than nothing.
 
And living with two people who are allergic to bees and one being asthmatic I can assure you I know about Benadryl and more than I want to know about the rest of it. Diphenhydramine is also contraindicated for asthmatics, my wife being one, so everything is not so cut and dry.

They are taxing the living shit out of everyone, one would expect to get something for it besides being protected from Saddam Hussein or whatever other benefits we are supposed to be receiving on a federal, state and local level. Bridges fall down, blackouts, the money is not going to rescue personnel, it's not going to EMTs and such, it's going to politicians. The fish rots from the head. I wonder how Bangor treats its wonderful illegal alien population.
 
Maybe the human population would greatly decline if there was no such help? I wouldnt mind seeing the weak gone. Gee...how did the indians do it without their helicopters and paramedics? Everything in todays society is about making $$$.
Think about this...its illegal to kill yourself!!...why? because with every person who dies, thats less money they make! Wear your seatbelt...because we care about you..BS!!!
 
revolution13 said:
Maybe the human population would greatly decline if there was no such help? I wouldnt mind seeing the weak gone. Gee...how did the indians do it without their helicopters and paramedics?
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They had a very high mortality rate?
 
Don Rearic said:
Diphenhydramine is also contraindicated for asthmatics, my wife being one, so everything is not so cut and dry.
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True, but that is an additional condition to the allergic reation. I imagine there are other medical conditions that would contra-indicate the use of Epinephrine for some allergic reaction patients, too. I don't think the article said anything about the woman in question was an asthmatic, was she? :confused:

They are taxing the living shit out of everyone, one would expect to get something for it besides being protected from Saddam Hussein or whatever other benefits we are supposed to be receiving on a federal, state and local level.
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Well, if you want to talk about goverment waste I'm right there with you. I would certainly rather see my tax dollars spent to support SAR programs than a lot of the pork-barrel government projects it goes to now. That goes way beyond the scope of this discussion (and this forum), though. ;)
 
There are plenty of dumbasses who get themselves into situations that they shouldn't have. My biggest beef is the numerous occurrences every year of people who hike partially up Half Dome in Yosemite, CA, decide that they can't make it and then use their cell phones to summon help via helicopter... With how poor our country has become, I've always wondered why SAR had always been "free".


Next up on this absurd gravy train: wilderness insurance.
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When I travel to SE Asia, especially danger zones, I have medical evacuation insurance, this includes life-flight helicopters with doctor & medical team plus chartered airplane back to USA medical facilities.

Seems worthwhile if you care about your health.
 
Don Rearic said:
As I argued a long time ago, once the law is passed for a legitimate or semi-legitimate reason, then the cash cow is harnessed. It's government, what do people expect? It's rotten to the core. Do people expect "Fish and Game" or "Department of Natural Resources" to be less of a corrupt bureaucracy than others? They found their cash cow after all of these years.
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Actually, Don...

I DO expect higher standards of conduct and integrity from DNR or Fish and Game...or whatever it is called in various States. My personal experience is that they are folks of strong values and a profound commitment to their various roles. I admire them, based not on hope, but on life experience with them.

Now...the State bureaucracies that regulate the DNR agencies...and the politicians who manipulate those bureaucracies... are often inept, confused, or have much different priorities than the professionals in Fish and Game. Some may be even be corrupt, as you suggest.

This is getting political, sort of...so I'll shup.


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