Another... er... "interesting" copy...

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I just ordered one of these...
http://www.crkt.com/crawkasp.html
...and was interested to see the latest Bud K catalog proclaiming the following a "Cyclone" lockback for a mere $8.95 US:

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Doesn't take long, does it?

-Razor
 
Another blatant rip-off. I really hate BudK and others who peddle cheap knock-offs. The people or companies that manufacture these chunks of excrement have no originality or respect for other's designs. All they care about is making a fast buck, or quid by selling rubbish.
 
What are you guys talking about? That knife looks completely different than the CRKT. Didn't you notice that the pivot screw is standard? The CRKT is a torx, I believe. That's the big difference.

And you guys bashing this poor fellow for copying, when the screw is obviously a huge design revision...er, um, difference...

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Brandon
 
Far as I can tell, it's not even a lockback!



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Always keep in mind that you usually get what you pay for, and I don't really think that a $9 knife can be made with very good steel, have nice "fit and finish", or last longer than a few weeks before it self-destructs in your hand...
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You can get a really good folder for a few hundred dollars or less. The cost of having your fingers re-attached after having one of these P.O.S. fold during use can cost tens of thousands. Which is the better deal?
David

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Ugh. I saw this exact rip-off at a gun show here once. When open, the blade has more wobble than a wino walking home at 2am.

David Bloch @ Outdoor Edge told me that the company making these knock offs don't even have to get their hands on the real thing - their engineers can knock 'em off just by getting a copies of knife magazines and doing it by sight alone.

Ah well, folks who buy garbage like that will soon realize the folly of their mistake either by finding BF or as David said, staring in disbelief at their digit(s) laying on the garage floor
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Nah, never get that sharp!

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Frankly, it worries me a bit. If the "Cyclone" is also the same size as the KFF, then any punk/BG can do like many of us, and "save" it for attack. Highly likely it would be good for a few stabs, maybe some slashes if it can be sharpened. I think it is probably very capable of wounding seriously/killing.


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Bugs
 
Well, if you're worried about that, worry about any of the thousands of other low-end knives in the world. I mean, I wouldn't waste any special anxiety over it, considering that molten-and-rehardened, sharpened toothbrush handles can stab just as well.

The reason I posted the picture originally was because I was amused at just how quickly the knock-offs are manufactured. I only just discovered the Crawford/Kasper folder (though I guess it's been out for at least a little while), and no sooner do I order one than the mail-order catalog with the knock-off shows up.

As for this -- or any other low-end knife -- cutting off your fingers, I think it's wiser to worry about simply getting a deep cut across your index (and maybe) middle finger. I doubt one of these, or, say, one of the Spydie knock-offs, would be sharp enough to chop your fingers free and clear.

An interesting side note: I noticed the other day that if my Buck Odyssey's lock ever failed, the shape of the blade would likely save me from being cut. The blade has a curve leading to the sharpened edge (choil?) that makes contact with the index finger, provided that index finger is positioned naturally over the linerlock recess in the handle. I checked; you have to hike your hand down the handle pretty far before the sharp part of the edge would bite finger. Neat.

-Razor

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Hey this is great now I can save about $400 bucks by bypassing Pat and can even save another $40 by skipping CRK&T. When are these knockoff companies going to come out with a Moran model then I could really save some serious cash.
Bob
 
callahwj,
The regular Crawford/Kaspar isn't a lockback either...it's a liner lock with LAWKS. What a cruddy copy.
Matt
 
I remember in 1999, I was at a mall in Sacremento and I stepped into the cutlery shop. They had a few Fury knives and I actually bought a CQC 7 knock off for 30 bucks. Very crappy knife. The steel would not hold an edge and the liner lock looked as if it was stamped from sheet metal.
Your probably wondering why I bought it, huh? I was just 17 back then, and my mother had a habit of confiscating anything that wasn't a SAK. Now she's gotten better and now I get WAY better knives.

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Quality or not, I can guarantee that it will hurt the original's sales. That will hurt, CRKT & Pat & Kasper.

sal
 
i bout a m-14 sniper clone for 15 bills and it is great! well....maybe not great, but much worth the price, and that inclded shipping!

buy a balisong, best folding knives made

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Sal,

Do you think those plastic-thumb-stud-equipped Endura copies have hurt sales of genuine Spydercos? If so, is there any way to track that kind of thing? Just curious, since when I think of knock-offs those Spyder-fauxs come immediately to mind.

Hey, I just coined a term. "Spyderfaux."
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-Razor

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Hi Razoredj. Our numbers and our research indicate a significant reduction in sales of the models for which there is "spyderfaux".

Such a reduction will usually cause a model to be retired within a year or two. Look back as the many models that have been retired as a result of the cheap copies.

The sad part of a copy purchase is that the customer, more often than not, is not pleased if compared with the original. But without the opportunity to compare, the assumption is made that the original is probably the same.

On the manufacturers side, the design, R&D, development, advertising of the model and creating the market is simply stolen. It's a lot easier to make a cheaper copy if you steel the above.

sal
 
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