Another Florida School Knife Incident!

Bimmer1

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A female co-worker had to leave work last week because her 12 year old daughter was taken to jail over a knife incident. The 12 year old was seen with a keychain knife (Spyderco Ladybug knock-off) on her keychain along with her house keys. This was first noticed by the school bus driver. The bus driver reported it to the principal and they called the girl to the office. Her back-pack was checked and the knife was found on her keychain. She was not using the knife, opening the knife, or threatening anyone with the knife. It was just on her key chain. Again, the no-tolerance policy comes in to play. She was suspended and cannot come back to school. She was taken to jail, fingerprinted, and even got her picture taken (mug shot). The state attorney's office said that they want to make an example of her. She's a good student and has never gotten into trouble.
Violence on school grounds has got to stop, but those in higher positions are going about it in the wrong way. How is making an example of this girl going to stop some kid from suddenly apearing on campus with a gun or knife and doing harm to others?
I can remember in 1976 I was in the first grade. I had a knife collection that I was going to show to my Grandfather when he picked me up from school. I went to a Catholic school and had a Nun for a teacher. She saw the five knives I had and said, "You can keep one with you and I will put the rest in my desk drawer so you can pick them up after school." That was it. Look how the times have changed. Hell, every Southern boy used to carry a gun in his truck on a gunrack to school, and there was never any problems.
Again stupid decisions made by stupid people with the wrong answers to the problems we have in America.
 
"Again stupid decisions made by stupid people with the wrong answers to the problems we have in America. "

That about sums it up right there.
 
Bimmer1,
I am glad you posted this even though it is pathetic.............the stupidity of some people who are leaders in our goverment never ceases to amaze me.
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It is time we vote all of them possible out of office............ otherwise all of us law abiding citizens are going top loose 'BIG TIME"!!!!!!
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Anyway, thanks and have a good one...........

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So the bus driver catches a glimpse of the knife huh? Last week it was the honor student who had one spotted in her parked car by a teacher or something. Its starting to sound like the old things that we learned happened in the old Soviet Union or Hitler's Germany. You have the 'busy body' people that just cant wait to 'snitch' you out to the 'secret police'. It would seem this country is well on its way to proving the fact that we DO NOT learn from historys mistakes. We love to tell ourselves that we can reason with the sheeple, and if we just dont whip out a big knife around them they wont freak out. Not true, any gun or any knife no matter how small or cute or innocent is a target of these idiots. They CANNOT be reasoned with. The old strategy of 'speak with your vote' against those who would take your rights, or being kind to them and reasoning does not, has not and never will work. The only thing left is for the country in general to send the message of NO MORE. We will not give another inch. Pretty soon they have to be told that the right to keep and bear arms was not created for us to defend by compromise and whining. No, one of its purposes is to defend itself and all other rights. As peaceful as we wish to be, we cannot allow any rights to simply be trampeled upon in any age group...school age or adult hood. It has NEVER worked for good that way anytime in history.



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So the state AG's office said they wanted to make an "example" out of a 12 year old girl. Makes me feel safe we have such "tuff on krime" politicos in office!

I wonder if they'll try her as an adult!

Mad, angry, and so on...

Karl
 
IDIOTS!!! What are these people thinking? Oh yah, I,m giving these people way to much credit for doing something they seem quite incapable of doing.

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The parents who have in the past voiced their support for "no tolerance" policies in their local schools will soon realize the absurdity of these new rules when they see their own sons and daughters hauled off in handcuffs.

But for those who still don't get it, I wonder how they'll react when students start going after eachother with scissors, broken-off chair legs, rulers, glass bottles, lunch trays, bunson burners, pencils... I wonder how they'll react when the psychologists who prescribed Ritalin or Prozac later testify in court that the violent child actually lacked a proper upbringing or was just trying to get the attention of his apathetic, detached, and disinterested parents...

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This 12 year old girl is actually being charged with a felony. Her parents are now looking for a new school to enroll her in, but they've been told that she will have to be enrolled into a special school program at the local vo/tech site for problem kids.
It just gets deeper and deeper. Now we're taking the good kids and giving them reasons to question society, or worse to turn on society. What's a 12 year old girl going to learn in a school for problem kids?
 
Welcome to the United Kingdo...er States?

Weird, are you sure you won the war of independence? Your rules are getting like ours, more so every day.

"welcome to the party, pal"

Die hard 1

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The General is right, it's sad what this nation has come to. I got out of school in 82. I remember me, and several of my friends sitting around in wood shop with several knives on our desk(Old Timers, Case, Buck), were in a heated discussion about knives. The teacher comes up and says, hey I have one of those, and gets in on it! I feel sorry for the youngsters nowadays. RKBA!
 
As I said in the case of the Honor Graduate who was found with a steak or paring knife under the front seat of her Geo, we had a series of school shootings by distressed and displaced boys who had been running around giving off signals that they were about to explode, sometimes for years, and Middle America panicked, in a manner similar to how they panicked in the late 1950s over the alienation of their children and blamed it on "switchblades" based upon the teen exploitation movies which featured sex, rock-n-roll, hot rods, and switchblades. The result was the switchblade ban, even though there was never any real proof of their being any danger to anyone. Then came the 1060s and 1970s and the drug culture and that brought the War on Drugs and all of its concommitant stupidity which continues unabated because parents panicked about the real threat of losing their little darlings to drugs. People, it was happening, but a police state was not the solution. Now, in an effort to deal with the predictable violence from the exorbitant profits in drug sales that are the direct result of the War on Drugs, we are resorting to more and more extreme weapons policies, including "Zero Tolerance" in our schools. This policy is the illegitimate cross breed of the Drug Policy and the parental panicked cry to "DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING TO STOP THESE HORRIBLE SCHOOL HOLOCAUSTS!!!" Since the educrats in charge would never admit that they had missed the obvious signs that these kids were in distress and were about to blow, the easiest thing is to crack down on all of the kids. In my daughter's Middle School, in Arlington, VA, we had to pull her out of an art class that she had loved because they had hired a teacher's aide who was hitting on the 8th Grade girls, including pawing them when he could, and the administration would not back the girs up on their complaints. Meanwhile, the Principal and the other administrators are running around telling the girls, many of whom are from Latin American countries, that they may not wear kerchiefs on their heads, a national style where they come from, and the Principal tore a picture of Aaron Carter, the kid brother of Nick Carter of the BackStreet Boys, out of my daughter's locker and threw it away, not even giving her a chance to take it home. The reason given for this is that they need to maintain discipline and that bandanas are gang symbols while pictures in lockers become the foci of squabbles and/or cults(?!). Somehow the idea of Aaron CArter as a Santaria image boggles my mind. But, for the educrats, this is "doing something". The fact that it is irrelevant to the problem, just as the business of the steak knife and the keychain knife likely were, makes no difference. The parents wanted something done and they are doing something, so there!

We are dealing with a panicky response to a panicky situation and you are expecting logic and reason to prevail? Ask yourselves what can be done to change the school situation to allow these disaffected kids to be spotted and dealt with in a constructive manner before they blow up and start killing other kids. One thing might be to reduse the size of thse mega schools where the shootings seem to take place. It seems to me that they overwhelming size of these schools contributes to a sense of isolation on the parts of most of the students in them. I know that they are efficient, so were Auschwitz and Dachau. Another suggestion would be to reduce class sizes so that the teachers might get to know the kids better, and, in the bargain, even teach them better. Finally, rather than having one or two overworked resource persons per school, have some emotional therapists specifically assigned to working with the kids and watching for the kings of disaffection that leads to the shooting sprees and to suicides. It seems to me that this would be less expensive in the long run that sending in emotioal trauma swat teams after the fact, as we do now.

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Just in case anyone reads my comments as anti-American. They are not. I just wonder how long before you all face our nightmare of being a criminal for carrying a Delica.



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Nah, Wayne, I don't think any of us take your comment as anti-American. It's anti-moron.

Unfortunately, the morons are all-too-frequently in charge, especially in the schools. The definitive work on the subject, I think, is The Peter Principle (by someone named Peter
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The more power we delegate to bureaucrats, the more power we have delegated to the incompetent. If only we could figure out how to do without them.
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Shudder. Perish the thought General. I remember even 4 years ago when I was in high school and people wore SAK's on caribeeners with their keys. Now, my little brother goes to the same school and there is no tolerance. Like the Florida story, the kid got busted for a Ladybug copy. But fortunately, the kid was only sent home and not suspended or expelled.
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Matt
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jazzman:
Shudder. Perish the thought General. I remember even 4 years ago when I was in high school and people wore SAK's on caribeeners with their keys. Now, my little brother goes to the same school and there is no tolerance. Like the Florida story, the kid got busted for a Ladybug copy. But fortunately, the kid was only sent home and not suspended or expelled.
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"The girl was expelled, charged with a felony, cannot return to school in the Fall, and I just found out the school failed her for the entire year. This puts her repeating the entire year over again at another school."

 
Bimmer1, can you post any links to stories about this incident? I feel the email rant sending mode coming on again...
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Karl
 
I haven't heard of a rampant panic on this level since Orwell's Broadcast of War of The Worlds. What is everybody affraid of? You don't think the kids are ever going to have to learn to use a knife. Knives are tools not weapons, and kids who stab other kids are criminals not students - we would all be far better of if we got that straight.

 
So what happened to the schools being an institution to support the parents by teaching their children. The the parents having some controlling influence on the school? When did that go away? It was there when I went through. Are these things a case of the school having too much independent power? A case of parents not taking advantage of the opportunity to be involved (before things go bad)? Or is it a case of the very parents of the girl that is now in trouble having blindly followed down the path of the liberals for zero tolerance?

DAMN! The more I hear about public schools, the more I think my kids, if I ever have them, will go to private school.

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iktomi
 
A question: If they make this big a fuss over a little keychain knife, what do they use in the school for eating utensils? Are the butterknives handed out as students file into the cafeteria, and then confiscated as the students leave? Isn't there a chance a student might butterknife someone while he/she is eating Wednesday's mystery meat? There is no rational answer for absurdity in any of its manifestations. If Americans want to keep all the precious rights given to us in our Constitution, we must ensure our representative democracy truly represents us. This is best done in the voting booth, but if the system does not respond to the people's demonstrated desires, then our Constitution offers other means for maintaining our liberties. We must avail ourselves of them all, or accept living a life less livable.

One non violent way is to get out there and be heard. The same media that so openly supports restrictions on gun ownership will eat its own entrails to air shows that depict the positive aspects of knife and gun ownership if the show makes money. If we continue to be a small non vocal minority, then the schools and other institutions will continue to enact absurd responses to legitimate problems, and never come close to solving the problem they are trying to fix.
 
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