another overnighter: where's the camp?

Leghog, I don't think they were in cold conditions yet. Not really cold, anyhow.
 
being a newbie he didn't listen to me when i said pack everything the night before. we had to go back to his house twice after driving a few blocks away to pick up forgotten items...this trip definitely drove home the things bearthedog and i have been teaching him on previous trips...he wants to go for another overnighter soon so i guess we'll see how quickly he learns :)

I'm a checklist-Nazi. My son gets ticked off every time I ask for his checklist before we head out...he's forgotten some significant items and had some miserable nights. We don't get too many opportunities, so I really drive home the checklists (and my inspections). He's actually getting much better, but I still hand him the "basics" checklist. Unfortunately, some lessons are best learned the hard way...I didn't let my son go hypothermic, but he's spent a couple uncomfortable nights sitting by and feeding the fire because of no sleeping bag (how the hell do you forget to pack your sleeping bag!:D). Most are small items that make things easier...forgot his fuel, spork, contact solution, TP, fresh batteries for the headlamp, pack cover (or internal waterproof liner), gloves, hat, etc....yet, when he was younger he wouldn't forget to pack a dozen big knives in his pack...definitely my son:D

ROCK6
 
never heard that one before! damn. big knives will keep him warm though, haha.

Yeah, fortunately we weren't far from home and I was planning on a decent fire...if he got too cold, we would call it quits...he toughed it out. I think he was more embarrassed and didn't want to give in. How the heck do you forget your sleeping bag!?!?! Simple, load up all the cool stuff, don't use a checklist and wait to pack until the very last minute:D

We do have a lot of last-minute trips. My wife and I keep our packs read minus sleeping bag (left out and uncompressed), food and water. We can typically have food thrown together, add water and pack the sleeping bag in under 30 minutes and be out the door for a trip. They're not bug-out bags, but we can hit the trail for week pretty quickly if needed...but I still keep a checklist nearby:D

ROCK6
 
Yeah, fortunately we weren't far from home and I was planning on a decent fire...if he got too cold, we would call it quits...he toughed it out. I think he was more embarrassed and didn't want to give in. How the heck do you forget your sleeping bag!?!?! Simple, load up all the cool stuff, don't use a checklist and wait to pack until the very last minute:D

We do have a lot of last-minute trips. My wife and I keep our packs read minus sleeping bag (left out and uncompressed), food and water. We can typically have food thrown together, add water and pack the sleeping bag in under 30 minutes and be out the door for a trip. They're not bug-out bags, but we can hit the trail for week pretty quickly if needed...but I still keep a checklist nearby:D

ROCK6

i do the same - i keep all my baseline gear in the pack minus food, water and things that need to be stored uncompressed...switching backpacks is pretty straightforward too...it takes me a lot longer trying to decide which cutting tools i'll take than packing everything :D
 
i do the same - i keep all my baseline gear in the pack minus food, water and things that need to be stored uncompressed...switching backpacks is pretty straightforward too...it takes me a lot longer trying to decide which cutting tools i'll take than packing everything :D

I try to always be ready for the spontaneous trip. The main way I do this is by having multiple packs ready to roll and multiple bags of food ready to throw in them. When I get home from trip #1, I pull out everything that needs maintenance or drying. This includes the water containers, cooking equipment, clothes, shelter & sleeping bag, packed out trash, first-aid, fire kit, etc. I can take good care of my gear that way while having another pack ready to go. It works for me, and I know some of you guys could do it because of all the gear you have.
 
I try to always be ready for the spontaneous trip. The main way I do this is by having multiple packs ready to roll and multiple bags of food ready to throw in them. When I get home from trip #1, I pull out everything that needs maintenance or drying. This includes the water containers, cooking equipment, clothes, shelter & sleeping bag, packed out trash, first-aid, fire kit, etc. I can take good care of my gear that way while having another pack ready to go. It works for me, and I know some of you guys could do it because of all the gear you have.
My goal is less gear/as little gear as possible. I'm trying to get into the teens/sub-20lbs for three nights. Just replaced my big three (pack, shelter, and sleep system) to meet that goal. Osprey Kestrel 48 at 57 ounces, a Marmot fart sack at 32 ounces, Thermarest Neoair Trekker air pad (won't use closed cell foam or self inflating pad as they're too uncomfortable and won't use an air mattress due to lack of insulation) at 17 ounces, and an Aussie S-59 hoochie/tarp/shelter from the 1980s at 18 ounces. That's 124 ounces for the big three leaving me 196 ounces for everything else.
 
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Drinking alcohol in the cold just accelerates heat loss. It takes blood from your core, and you lose it at your surface because it has dilated your blood vessels. And it takes very little alcohol to have that effect. As for shivering, alcohol reduces your body's ability to shiver. Alcohol and cold temperatures can easily be a deadly combination. Just not worth it. Not in my book.

100% on what you say
I never carried alcohol in the winter

Now warming up in a hot bath after cold winter camping
Nothing like a glass of whiskey to speed the process


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I am probably wrong but given my mountain climbing background, I would go with a gear selection that allowed me to make it comfortable through the night without the need of a fire as means of additional heat. ...................
Sure an open fire adds some flavour to any outing but... I sometimes doubt about the true convenience of it.
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In all my winter camping I never lit a fire
Always relied on my gear and food to keep me warm
 
Looks like a great time.

indeed...i noticed your membership status change/orange color - anything to do with bending kydex? i finally managed to make a kydex sheath for my cs kukri years after seeing yours :)
 
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