Another QC issue with the 0550.

I coudn't agree more. My $10 Crown is finished better than that. For $150, I would be most unhappy. I am hoping Kershaw doesn't follow CASE into the void of lax quality control. 30 years ago the only reason I opened the box of a new CASE knife came in was to make sure I got the right color of scales on the knife. But with their QC as spotty as it is, I won't buy a CASE knife unless I can hold it in my hands and look at it in person. It isn't worth the hassle of sending the knife back to a vendor.

And what's up with all the guys that need to post "wow, good for me! I can SEE that your knife has problems but mine are fine!" and "I have this knife and that knife, and lucky me, all mine are perfect" and "all my ZT experiences have been perfect in every way, this is not the norm". I don't understand how telling someone that got the short end of the stick how great your knives are, how perfectly they fit, how much you love all of your ZTs, how abnormal his experience is, and how you have many Kershaw knives and they are all great helps this guy at all.

Are you trying to make him feel worse by telling him he is the odd man out?

Are you trying to say you are sad he got screwed, but really glad you didn't because all of your knives are so perfect?

How is making him feel worse by rubbing it in the fact that all your knives are perfect or even exceed expectations constructive or helpful?

I have four ZT knives, an 0301, two 0551's, and recently an 0560. All have exhibited fit, finish, and function beyond my expectations. So, if you want anecdotal information to base your purchasing decision upon, my experience has been excellent.

Great thoughts. That takes it to the extreme. "You got screwed, but I never have. So take it from me, you should keep buying this product based on MY experiences which have been


excellent.

Guess I just don't get it.

Robert


I dont think its meant to be that way at all its just to let him know that hes in good hands Kershaw will take care of him and not all the knives out there are messed up so he can still exchange it for one that is as it should have been.
 
I coudn't agree more. My $10 Crown is finished better than that. For $150, I would be most unhappy. I am hoping Kershaw doesn't follow CASE into the void of lax quality control. 30 years ago the only reason I opened the box of a new CASE knife came in was to make sure I got the right color of scales on the knife. But with their QC as spotty as it is, I won't buy a CASE knife unless I can hold it in my hands and look at it in person. It isn't worth the hassle of sending the knife back to a vendor.

And what's up with all the guys that need to post "wow, good for me! I can SEE that your knife has problems but mine are fine!" and "I have this knife and that knife, and lucky me, all mine are perfect" and "all my ZT experiences have been perfect in every way, this is not the norm". I don't understand how telling someone that got the short end of the stick how great your knives are, how perfectly they fit, how much you love all of your ZTs, how abnormal his experience is, and how you have many Kershaw knives and they are all great helps this guy at all.

Are you trying to make him feel worse by telling him he is the odd man out?

Are you trying to say you are sad he got screwed, but really glad you didn't because all of your knives are so perfect?

How is making him feel worse by rubbing it in the fact that all your knives are perfect or even exceed expectations constructive or helpful?

I have four ZT knives, an 0301, two 0551's, and recently an 0560. All have exhibited fit, finish, and function beyond my expectations. So, if you want anecdotal information to base your purchasing decision upon, my experience has been excellent.

Great thoughts. That takes it to the extreme. "You got screwed, but I never have. So take it from me, you should keep buying this product based on MY experiences which have been excellent."

Guess I just don't get it.

Robert

So you feel that there should only be negative post about Kershaw knives?

I see nothing wrong with keeping a perspective in the picture, that being, only a very small percentage of knives get by quality control. If a person read a thread that didn't show that perfect knives were delivered their perception would wrongly be tainted to believe this company puts out only crap.

Production knives from any company and at any price range, will experience a percentage of problems on knives that reach customers.

Human error is part of life. Most people learn this early in life.
 
Kershaw/ZT as well as other quality manufacturers have a pretty liberal return policy for a reason. Mistakes happen, but they are equipped to fix it. Do not blame the manufacturer for international shipping challenges, customs charges, retail establishment failure, etc.
 
I coudn't agree more. My $10 Crown is finished better than that. For $150, I would be most unhappy. I am hoping Kershaw doesn't follow CASE into the void of lax quality control. 30 years ago the only reason I opened the box of a new CASE knife came in was to make sure I got the right color of scales on the knife. But with their QC as spotty as it is, I won't buy a CASE knife unless I can hold it in my hands and look at it in person. It isn't worth the hassle of sending the knife back to a vendor.
Hi Robert

I don't feel you need to worry about our QC. I'm unsure if you're expecting perfection, if that is the case certainly we're doomed to fail in your eyes. Product can leave the factory with issues, some of it with obvious issues. While we wish we could be spot on in every occasion, it unfortunately is just not going to happen.
If forum threads with Kai produced products with warranty issues are your measuring stick in judging our QC Dept., perhaps a step back and look at the big picture is in order for you here. The percentage of issues vs. production is around 1% as of today. Again, we wish it were less, but don't feel we need to be labeled poorly because of it. Try to keep from letting threads skew big picture perspective.

Are you trying to make him feel worse by telling him he is the odd man out?

Are you trying to say you are sad he got screwed, but really glad you didn't because all of your knives are so perfect?
I guess I'm confused, who's out what, and who got screwed?
 
Is the first response to an issue to post online first or contact the manufacture? Just asking.
 
I'm going to follow this up and say that I see all the "defective" ZT's that show up. I handle every one of them, personally.

Of the 0560's/61's that have come through...I didn't see an issue in the major majority.
 
Hi Robert

I don't feel you need to worry about our QC. I'm unsure if you're expecting perfection, if that is the case certainly we're doomed to fail in your eyes. Product can leave the factory with issues, some of it with obvious issues. While we wish we could be spot on in every occasion, it unfortunately is just not going to happen.

I don't expect perfection. I do a lot of trim carpentry work, some cabinet building, and lot of different hand work including custom finishing. I understand that even as long as I have been doing this work (almost 40 years!) my next job that I turn out perfect work will be my first. As you said, it just doesn't happen. I don't turn out perfection, and don't expect others to, either.

I was simply expressing my concern, that's all. I have watched as company after company (not just knives - ALL of my tool companies) have fallen victim to the bottom line. I never said Kershaw did, and I don't believe it has. But years ago, had anyone, ever, told me that CASE would have so many QC problems I would have never believed it. Likewise, I was in Bass Pros Shops looking for a medium stockman for my BIL for Christmas. They had the "Chuck Buck Signature Serie" knives there. I looked at three, and all three had the kicks cut too far on the spey blade, and you couldn't get your finger in the nail nick to open it. The blade was buried in the folder case. Problems with three Bucks in a row; and on the Signature Series, no less. That hurt.

Again, I was just expressing concern, and I hope you don't read too much into it. To me, Kershaw is about the last bastion of great knife making where you can have for a very fair to excellent price for a really nice product. While I don't consider myself a fanboy at all, I do love the products. I have higher end knives like the Shallot in S110, the G10 Tyrade, the JYDII combo, etc., all the way down to the humble Crown. I liked those enough I bought four of them to use and a couple to give as gifts down the road.

If forum threads with Kai produced products with warranty issues are your measuring stick in judging our QC Dept., perhaps a step back and look at the big picture is in order for you here. The percentage of issues vs. production is around 1% as of today. Again, we wish it were less, but don't feel we need to be labeled poorly because of it. Try to keep from letting threads skew big picture perspective.

Haven't taken my eye off the ball. Your quality is usually so high that it is your own undoing. Everyone expects a nearly perfect Kershaw every time. Me, included. In all the Kershaws I have purchased, I have only had one that had a small issue. The JYDII had the G10 piece sticking proud of the liners by a little less than a millimeter. 10 minutes with a piece of sandpaper and it was fixed. All others came to me with all aspects of the knife in good order.

Kershaw IS the last folding knife company that I will purchase over the internet, sight unseen. It is the only knife I recommend to my construction buddies to purchase. Not only is my confidence in the product extremely high, but Kershaw's exemplary customer service speaks for itself. That being said, I have never had to use it. I am sure we both like it that way!

I think it would be disingenuous of those that frequent any product specific site (whether knives, guns, woodworking tools, etc.) to say that they aren't influenced by negative reviews or folks with concerns about their purchases. One of the reasons we frequent these sites is to get performance reviews, product reviews, suggestions, and reports back from users of certain products. As they are influenced by negative reviews, no doubt they are also influenced by great reviews. With that in mind, I don't really see that you have much to worry about with me expressing my concerns in context with the other knife company I referenced. For me, I have no concerns about purchasing or recommending Kersahw products and will keep on doing so.

I guess I'm confused, who's out what, and who got screwed?

That is out of context. It was simply hyperbole to draw attention to the fact that while some are disappointed in their purchase and have knives that need some help, there is always someone ready to jump up and say they have such and such knife and they NEVER have had any problems. In off forum conversations with other members, they have noticed these responses as well. I seems that some feel that if you have a problem, it is probably your fault. Did you expect too much? Are you using the knife correctly? Did you realize this knife isn't a safe queen, but a real manly user? After all, if they haven't ever had any problems, how could you? Reading other subforums on this site where the fanboys rule will give you plenty of examples of that behavior.

I don't understand it, probably just a personal shortcoming.

That notwithstanding, I am still 100% on Kershaw.

Robert
 
Robert,

I am afraid you really don't see it. I'll wager that few dissatisfied owners would miss the opportunity to vent their problems in a forum while very few of the satisfied owners would take the time to post. Those with good experiences, sprinkled amongst the tales of woe, help moderate the threads - and offer a better perspective of the overall offerings. I can't imagine a lower quality of product sold via a lotharios vendor. Seconds/defects from KAI all have 'XXXX' emblazoned on them. What we have here is one that slipped by the QC Inspector - it happens - they are humanoids. If we weren't Kershaw/ZT fans, we wouldn't coagulate here.

Pilot1,

I had the same miserable ZT experience as you - a 0301, two 0551's, and a 0561 - all fine. My culling from my local store, all but the 0301 were bought there, involved getting knives in unopened boxes. Other brands are more carefully scrutinized before purchase - a learned necessity. Both 0551's had to have their pivot screws adjusted - no problem. I did have to dehorn the 0561's jimping - but that has been addressed elsewhere.

Stainz
 
Not so simple if your in the UK. Customs can and sometimes do seize this type of import.

I feel for those doing business internationally, I really do, but that is between you and your elected officials to change, not the manaufacturer. It is an additional risk those customers willingly take on when buying out of their own country. If dealing with a reputable retailer in your home country, the retailer should make any issues right.
 
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