Another question regarding warranty

[peterinct]

What do you think of this situation: http://www.engravingforum.com/showthread.php?t=4812&highlight=chad

I suggested the OP post it on this forum, but he didn't want to.

Peter

 

[WyoNonSmith]

Guy should have relied on a fixed blade.

 

[Lorien]

I think that stabbing a live deer in the neck with a folding knife is a stupid idea. Comparing that situation to a hunting situation is like apples and oranges.

 

[brownshoe]

If you use a knife regularly, and its a folder, the user should check it. Screws can get loose, things can wear, nothing is forever. CRKT warns the user of this in their instructions and recommends routinely checking to assure screws are tight.

Problem with this guy, is he blames the closure on "blood" from his deer but it still closes on him now, thus it was a problem with allignment, wear or was bad from day 1.

He doesn't name the maker, but there are more than a few (Terzuola, Crawford, Carson come immediately to mind) that make these kinds of knives that have a 15 year history of good performance under stress. Sometimes an exprienced maker with a proven design trumps the knifemaker flavor of the month or the one with the best price.

 

[Karda]

I think that stabbing a live deer in the neck with a folding knife is a stupid idea. Comparing that situation to a hunting situation is like apples and oranges.

Well said Lorien. If this person had slit the deers throat, as most hunters do, his finger wouldnt have been injured. While most folders will have no problem stabbing flesh, all bets are off when you start stabbing hard objects (such as bone). At that point even the best have a chance of failure. The OP of that thread should chalk it up to his own user error and not be blaming the maker or the knife for his lack of common sense. I had to do the same thing the OP did on a backroad late one night, snapped that poor little doe's back. All i had was a smallish folder on me and the wife had already tackled her. Luckily i had my trusty old Chevy hammer(probably 4-5lbs) which dispatched her as easy as anything.
A poor family in the area gained some much welcomed and needed venison that night.

 

[Lorien]

we have an expression in the bicycle industry; just riding along or JRA.
Everyone who works in bike shops knows what this means.

"I was just riding along when my bike broke in half", that's because you repeatedly and regularly jump your bike off your roof, you dumbass. You warranty for you!

 

[Kevin Jones]

A BAD situation all around. Especially for the deer.

Reminds me of when my 120lb Doberman jumped a chain-link fence and got hung upside down with the barbs through his foot. Like a fool, I went to the same side of the fence and continued to cut two of his toes off (fixed-blade) in freeing him while he had my ankle in his mouth. We both went to our emergency rooms and doubt either of us will ever forget the experience.
One positive, he never jumped that fence again.

I mention this as I know how the OP felt in his situation.

 

[Lorien]

holy crap Kevin
You are a hard man:thumbup:

 

[ArtinNC]

((((What if I was hunting in the middle of no where, and in the middle of gutting a deer, this happened and I had to walk for hours for help? ))))
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Thats why I like fixed blades. If you play with Knives and guns, fast cars, motorcycles,walk down the street, get out of bed in the morning, for me use a hack saw, sooner or later your going to get hurt. Someone always wanting to sue someone.

 

[Kevin Jones]

holy crap Kevin
You are a hard man:thumbup:

Not hard, it was just my only option.

((((What if I was hunting in the middle of no where, and in the middle of gutting a deer, this happened and I had to walk for hours for help? ))))

Folders definitely have their purposes, however I prefer a small "back pocket carry" fixed-blades for EDC.

 

[on_the_edge]

That is not a warranty issue, but a lack of common sense issue.

We have a hydraulic automotive lift where I work and if you stopped to look closely at all the "warning" stickers on it, you would get a good laugh AND be reading for the better part of 15 minutes. Yet, all those stickers are the result of someone lacking common sense with the product at some point in time. Am I going to stick my head between the lift and the shop floor??? NO, but there is a sticker that shows not to do it!!!

 

[betzner]

There are some many questions whose answers were always available for free from Forrest Gump - stupid is as stupid does. Sometimes I wonder why some forumites seem to check their brains at the door, no matter where they go.

 

[sheathmaker]

A BAD situation all around. Especially for the deer.

Reminds me of when my 120lb Doberman jumped a chain-link fence and got hung upside down with the barbs through his foot. Like a fool, I went to the same side of the fence and continued to cut two of his toes off (fixed-blade) in freeing him while he had my ankle in his mouth. We both went to our emergency rooms and doubt either of us will ever forget the experience.
One positive, he never jumped that fence again.

I mention this as I know how the OP felt in his situation.

Just a quick detour from the subject.....Kevin is the only customer I have who buys his Doberman custom leather sheath chew toys.

Right Kevin???


Paul

 

[John T Wylie Jr]

The OP's post is way too general , he provided no specifics , or details of the knife , etc.

Way to general of a statement to be able to determine if the knife actually failed. Though with proper use , he could have performed the task with a non locking folder , if it was used correctly.

A folder is a convenient tool , never be as solid as a fixed blade. Hmmm , don't see many carpenters relying on folding hammers do we ?

 

[Lorien]

if it was sold to him as a 'deer throat stabbing knife' then I could see a point for his claim.

 

[Will Leavitt]

Well a few things.............

I've never slit the throat of a deer, I haven't seen a deer with a slit throat on a meatpole for decades.

Why would you stab and not just slice across the aorta/jugular?

I usually just shoot the deer to put them out of misery.

Don't like linerlocks and don't trust them for anything more than cutting paper or stuff like that, that's the reason I make the EDK is to prevent this from happening.

 

[mcswood]

We've probably all carried folders in our pockets
and had the lock fouled by something as simple
as lint. We all know not to trust a folder "not to
fold".
To have one fold onto your fingers is the answer
to the question;
SHOULD I BE USING A FOLDER ?

 

[george tichbourne]

We had a fellow in our moose camp one year from Georgia who happened to shoot a moose mid morning while hunting alone. Well to make a long story short he was carrying a Buck 110 folder and used that to gut out the moose.

It took him 6 hours and when he made it back to camp it was hard to tell who actually won.....he was blood from one end to the other....not injured but it took a long time with the tiny knife.

George

 

[Kevin Jones]

Just a quick detour from the subject.....Kevin is the only customer I have who buys his Doberman custom leather sheath chew toys.
Right Kevin???
Paul

Paul, that's not the dog who eats expensive sheaths!

We all know it's best to use the tool that best fits the task. However in defense of the fellow we are discussing, sure he could have looked for a BIG rock or went for his tire iron to finish the deer off but I probably would have done close to the same thing. I believe one could reasonably hope/assume that the lock wasn't going to fail on a custom folder. Now I would have used a slicing action rather than stabbing, but in situations like this we make quick decisions and some will be right and some wrong. Having said that, I don't think he should place blame on the folder or the maker.

I remember a former boss told me years ago, "I will never fault you for making the wrong decision, however I will certainly fault you for not making one." Many would have just left the deer to suffer.