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Any idea what made this knife go this high?

Discussion in 'Schrade Knives Collectors Forum' started by DaveT63, Apr 10, 2008.

  1. DaveT63

    DaveT63

    935
    Feb 26, 2007
    Auction #190212629118. To me, it pretty much looks like a regular Schrade scrimshaw. Is there something special about it I don't know of? Is it the tang stamp of "USA MS"? Or is this just a case of a bidding war between two people who both wanted it bad?

    Thanks,

    Dave
     
  2. thawk

    thawk

    Oct 28, 2006
    Looks like the bolsters are nickel silver instead of brass? SCHRADE+/U.S.A. MS, hmmmm that's a new one on me. Denny_Conrad knew early on he was willing to spend at least $100.00.
     
  3. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    The art on the Delrin (not celluloid) cover is from the 1989 Scrimshaw Of The Great American Outdoors series, the 507SC - Bear and Cub. The blade is from the 1982 Tribute To The Native Americans series "Morning Star".

    http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/FLYERS/1980s/pages/SC82-18-0.htm

    http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/FLYERS/1980s/pages/SC89-36-1.htm

    No box illustrated or mentioned. The sheath, the seller says is a new sheath. Likely it did not come with the knife if that is true, or it did come with the knife from the two auction WIP sources, SMKW and BRK.

    We've seen this before where a blade marking does not match the knife. When the letter went out at the end of July, 2004 to ISC employees that "Tomorrow will be you last day here... good luck", a few were kept on and moved to the assembly floor with instructions from the receiver that "...if it fits...assemble it". The idea was to increase the value of the WIP...work in progress... or assembled knives in the plant, to bring more for the lot at auction. So this was done in August, September and October of 2004. A lot of strange and interesting combos emerged. I forgot exactly how many knives were hauled away, but it was measured in tractor-trailer loads.

    Why did he pay a sawbuck for it? He wanted it. Worse than anyone else did. Maybe he didn't know about the mixed breeding. Or he did and didn't care.

    Just my opinion.
    Michael
     
  4. Larry303

    Larry303

    Jul 28, 2005
    I believe you are 100% correct again Michael..you missed your true calling as a Private Detective mate...would you have been able to present some indisputable photographic evidence of the couples to the courts!!
    The real wonder to me of these Hybrids is how messy were they in their workrooms....a blade from a 1982 Morning Star is still lying on the bench or nearto in 2004..22 years later, waiting to be mated to a 1989 Scrimshaw which happens to be lying near it for some 15 years! I cant believe they were waiting there in case of warranty or repair work.
    Could it be more likely a 7year old blade was installed in 1989 in a new scale by an apprentice in training who then took it home to show his folks...hence no box and sheath added long after the fact?
    As a former coin collector error coins and notes often brought more than the perfect originals.
     
  5. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Error knives were purposely created in 2004. It is most likely that a skid of overrun and blem blades was pulled from the warehouse and placed at an LB-7 workstation...pull a blade, a pair of covers and assemble.

    There were always more blades made for any special run than were required. As much as 20% to allow for rejects, set-up pieces, warranty replacement etc.

    Yes, I am sure there were some regular production errors. We've all seen them. But no, not likely a seven-eight year old blade laid on a worktable for this assembly.

    These knives have value to me and some other collectors as curios. If I were putting together year sets of Scrims though, I wouldn't want this knife in the collection. There is one of my oft-shown true error knives which made it past the inspector, out the door and onto a dealer's shelf, then into a customer's closet. He had bought two and put them up, not looking at them until he sold both on eBay, this one to the Codger. It is an X-Timer with the handle installed upside down (or the blade, as has been suggested).

    Michael
     
  6. DaveT63

    DaveT63

    935
    Feb 26, 2007
    Codger,
    Thanks for the insight into how this knife may have come about and why someone may have wanted it so much. Your wealth of knowledge and information never ceases to amaze me!!:thumbup:

    Dave
     
  7. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Accolades are appreciated, but not so well deserved. Thanks. I was not there. All I know is what I have learned by studying news reports, magazine articles, posts on this and other forums by former employees, and interviews with former employees (sadly lacking in scope at this time).

    At the point the "pink slip" letter was sent, the course of ISC was set by the bank who forced bankruptcy liquidation on the corporation because of gross defaulting of loan payments (and then by the receiver/trustee). Even before this, some former employees stated that management's hands were tied by the owner's insertion of an outside "turn-around specialist" (known as "Mr. B"). The gent was also inserted in Camillus with the same edict: "Turn it around or find a buyer". After ISC crashed and burned, Camillus owners saw the writing on the wall and got rid of "Mr. B". But it was really too late for them as well.

    IMHO, the only reason either cutlery survived after Baer's passing in 1997, was due to the hard work and dedication of the remaining employees. That is why I intend to dedicate my book to them, and the thousands of employees who preceeded them.

    Michael
     
  8. El Lobo

    El Lobo

    Sep 6, 2002
    In the "Cobbler's Spirit" I am borrowing this picture from another forum here. The knife is owned by smiling-knife in the UK, purchased in a lot of knives. It is my first one of this configuration.....

    [​IMG]


    ...any others like it? :confused:

    Bill

    P.S.
    Come on Michael...show that X-Timer one more time. :thumbup::)
     
  9. thawk

    thawk

    Oct 28, 2006
    [​IMG][​IMG]

    The other 97OT Buzz Saw Trapper variations. I've never owned any of the three.
     
  10. DaveT63

    DaveT63

    935
    Feb 26, 2007
    Probably shouldn't say this, cuz it might cost me, but most of you have probably already seen it anyway. There is one just like this on ebay right now that I'm hoping to win.
     
  11. El Lobo

    El Lobo

    Sep 6, 2002
    I thought it curious that a single blade, without the liner lock tab, would share the same model number as those two locking examples you've posted. Seems like a good example of "End Days."

    But, I guess you just never know...:confused::(

    Bill
     
  12. DaveT63

    DaveT63

    935
    Feb 26, 2007
    End of days is my best guess. All I know is I like the knife. I love the 194OT, and I really like this, which appears to the the UH bastard step-brother of it.
     
  13. thawk

    thawk

    Oct 28, 2006
    It would be a nice compliment to the family so to speak. I believe the 97OT is a 4 1/8" frame, same as the 96OT and 296Y trappers. The 194OT, 94OT, and 285UH, the older 293 are all 3 7/8". I reallly like the single blade trappers, so I agree this is a good one to have.

    I might add, that I've seen the 97OT single blade with UH scales on Ebay several times, but never in a factory marked box, adding to the "end of days" theory.
     
  14. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    In the spirit of full disclosure, and by overwhelming requests received (one), here is the aforementioned knife for it's ...er...fifth encore performance.

    Ladies and germs, the B2TX has entered the building! (XT2B backwards)!

    [​IMG]

    I did thoroughly question the seller at the time and am convinced that his story is true. In fact, he didn't realize the error until I questioned it.

    Michael :)
     
  15. Rusty1

    Rusty1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 6, 2005
    These knive appeared after the closing in late 2004 early 2005, the ones I saw on sale SMKW and the like always came just loose wrapped a plastic bag.

    Rusty1
     

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