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The blade is almost exactly that of the Pro Grip, what used to be called the Pro Venator or Pro Hunter, but bigger. The Pro Grip, with its 2 13/16" blade, is described in the Spyderco catalogue as "A perfect field/outdoor companion with a thick drop-point tip." I have always liked the blade on the Pro Venator, as it was called when I bought mine, but I hated the damned Kraton insert in the clip. It was always getting caught on things and causing the clip to bend. It tore at least three of my pockets. The knife now resides in my drawer. But a 3 1/2" version with a compression-type lock and without the Kraton would make a WONDERFUL utility folder, I should think. The blade looks to be quite substantial, so it should take quite some abuse* without snapping its tip off as some other knives have been known to do.
*Sorry, Sal, but I don't know what else to call it when someone uses a knife, especially a folder, to pry open paint cans or some such task. I know that such tasks are routinely expected of combat knives in combat zones, but I believe that it is asking a lot of a pocket knife. Of course, in an emergency, anything goes.
*Sorry, Sal, but I don't know what else to call it when someone uses a knife, especially a folder, to pry open paint cans or some such task. I know that such tasks are routinely expected of combat knives in combat zones, but I believe that it is asking a lot of a pocket knife. Of course, in an emergency, anything goes.
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IIRC the back of the blade is flat and shaped to allow for a finger to control the blade during fine work. It is certainly not an unsharpened swedge like the SOG. Add the blade shape to the cobra hood, compression lock and frame lock and I'd say it was pretty darn original 
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You know.. some say that eyesight is the first to go....
you can result to semantics all ya want.. but if BM decided to say their hole was'nt a Spyderhole.. it was an "accelerated opening stock removal process" we would be quick to call a spade 'a spade'. Im no "expert" im a general customer.. with general perspective.. like the majority of ppl that buy Spyderco knives.. the laborer, the lawer, the electricion, the hunter.. these are the ppl that are going to look at that and say "ive seen that before" ... sure the frame lock may have "compression lock charictoristics" (I havent heard much on specifics..Im taking the word of this thread) but to "joe" who will stop by his/her sporting store.. its a frame lock.
And I havent waited for anything new or suprising from SOG since i was 14 drooling over the first Trident I ever saw.. so .. this may be "new grounds for Spyderco" but really.. its been done, both the blade and the lock. Even the skeletonised handle... Spyderco seems to be more of the 'trend setter' by history, but this knife says 'were trying to follow the market.. not lead it' IMO.
Im not trying to 'ding' anyone .. Im still a fan, will still be buying Spyderco.. in fact Im all giddy about the Perrin fixed blade!! And, I have alot of back models to catch up on
you can result to semantics all ya want.. but if BM decided to say their hole was'nt a Spyderhole.. it was an "accelerated opening stock removal process" we would be quick to call a spade 'a spade'. Im no "expert" im a general customer.. with general perspective.. like the majority of ppl that buy Spyderco knives.. the laborer, the lawer, the electricion, the hunter.. these are the ppl that are going to look at that and say "ive seen that before" ... sure the frame lock may have "compression lock charictoristics" (I havent heard much on specifics..Im taking the word of this thread) but to "joe" who will stop by his/her sporting store.. its a frame lock.
And I havent waited for anything new or suprising from SOG since i was 14 drooling over the first Trident I ever saw.. so .. this may be "new grounds for Spyderco" but really.. its been done, both the blade and the lock. Even the skeletonised handle... Spyderco seems to be more of the 'trend setter' by history, but this knife says 'were trying to follow the market.. not lead it' IMO.
Im not trying to 'ding' anyone .. Im still a fan, will still be buying Spyderco.. in fact Im all giddy about the Perrin fixed blade!! And, I have alot of back models to catch up on
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nervous,
Is the grind something that has been used before? Sure, but I don't really care. There's only so many ways you can grind the blade of a pocket knife before you just get weird and despite the fact that most Spydies sport hollow saber grinds I don't think they're all the same. Anyway, the knife you use as your evidence sports a bastardized Spydie hole.
If you think the compression lock is "just another frame lock" then you obviously don't understand the compression lock. I'm not flaming here, I'm just saying that they're very different. The compression lock traps the liner between the tang of the blade and the stop pin. This creates a much stronger and more stable lock than a liner lock. Here's a pic from the Spyderco site:
<img src="http://www.spyderco.com/img/compression.gif">
You also claim that this knife shows no innovation and that it is saying "were trying to follow the market.. not lead it." What about the cobra hood? I can't wait to try this new opening system!
Is the grind something that has been used before? Sure, but I don't really care. There's only so many ways you can grind the blade of a pocket knife before you just get weird and despite the fact that most Spydies sport hollow saber grinds I don't think they're all the same. Anyway, the knife you use as your evidence sports a bastardized Spydie hole.
If you think the compression lock is "just another frame lock" then you obviously don't understand the compression lock. I'm not flaming here, I'm just saying that they're very different. The compression lock traps the liner between the tang of the blade and the stop pin. This creates a much stronger and more stable lock than a liner lock. Here's a pic from the Spyderco site:
<img src="http://www.spyderco.com/img/compression.gif">
You also claim that this knife shows no innovation and that it is saying "were trying to follow the market.. not lead it." What about the cobra hood? I can't wait to try this new opening system!
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Well first off... if your going to quote me, be acurate.. I said "THIS KNIFE...yada yada...follow the market" not spyderco! Im very happy to see Spyderco doing some really exciting things .. I mentioned the Perrin ...I will definately buy one.
Also, I did not at any point say the compression lock is the same thing as a frame lock. I said in response to a statement that this [knife] was a hybrid between the frame lock and the compression lock, that to the average "joe" thats going to see one at his local sporting store is not going to diferentiate the difference between the two.
In referance to the Bastardising..HAHA.. Spyderco was not the first person to ever drill a hole in a blade.. nor were they the first to use some type of friction element on the blade to assist in opening the knife. They were however the first to patten a hole! So is the idea an exclusive idea, no.. Is it a legaly guarded idea thanks to pattens.. yes very much so. I do credit Spyderco with making the hole and the clip for that matter an industry standard, and thus taking the industry to a much higher level. So .. you may not care if the knife looks like a hybrid between CRKT and SOG.. I dont care if the majority of knives in the industry uses a wonderful idea to make their ideas better. They say imitation is the greatest for of flattery, and spyderco should be very flattered!
I dont think anyone wants some bizare exotic grind on a spydie (great argument concidering they are just comming out wuth a UUK!) ...but ive seen very few knives that have such a similar grind to the SOG! And there are enough wonderful Ideas mentioned here that have not been done nor are they extreme, or weird!
I like alot of what ive seen comming out.. Im just not so impressed with this peticular peice.. I have that right. So please dont be so defensive if you do. And obviously im not the only one who has noticed the points ive mentioned, since i did not iniate the Jet Edge issue.. i was simply agreeing with another who happened on the same train of thought i did. Im sure there will be enough ppl that will buy anythign with a Spyder on it, to ensure that this knife makes it... in the mean time I'll be in the sticks with my Street Bowie having a good ole time
Also, I did not at any point say the compression lock is the same thing as a frame lock. I said in response to a statement that this [knife] was a hybrid between the frame lock and the compression lock, that to the average "joe" thats going to see one at his local sporting store is not going to diferentiate the difference between the two.
In referance to the Bastardising..HAHA.. Spyderco was not the first person to ever drill a hole in a blade.. nor were they the first to use some type of friction element on the blade to assist in opening the knife. They were however the first to patten a hole! So is the idea an exclusive idea, no.. Is it a legaly guarded idea thanks to pattens.. yes very much so. I do credit Spyderco with making the hole and the clip for that matter an industry standard, and thus taking the industry to a much higher level. So .. you may not care if the knife looks like a hybrid between CRKT and SOG.. I dont care if the majority of knives in the industry uses a wonderful idea to make their ideas better. They say imitation is the greatest for of flattery, and spyderco should be very flattered!
I dont think anyone wants some bizare exotic grind on a spydie (great argument concidering they are just comming out wuth a UUK!) ...but ive seen very few knives that have such a similar grind to the SOG! And there are enough wonderful Ideas mentioned here that have not been done nor are they extreme, or weird!
I like alot of what ive seen comming out.. Im just not so impressed with this peticular peice.. I have that right. So please dont be so defensive if you do. And obviously im not the only one who has noticed the points ive mentioned, since i did not iniate the Jet Edge issue.. i was simply agreeing with another who happened on the same train of thought i did. Im sure there will be enough ppl that will buy anythign with a Spyder on it, to ensure that this knife makes it... in the mean time I'll be in the sticks with my Street Bowie having a good ole time
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Something about the design of the Ulu really strikes a cord with me.
It's very unique in some ways and yet it's like the ultimate evolution of the first cutting tool- a sharp rock.
I hope it makes it into production.
It's very unique in some ways and yet it's like the ultimate evolution of the first cutting tool- a sharp rock.
I hope it makes it into production.
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Well, I guess you can now see some of the confusion that occurs when prototypes or concept knives are put into public domain, like the forums.
The UUK is still a concept knife. That means no plans for production at this time, but we're still showing it at shows for reaction. I like the design, as do a number of others that have seen it. On the other hand, we really haven't seen a large enough number say "I'd like to order one of those", at this time. The cost to tool up and go into production on a new model, especially an MBC model, is high, so we want to make sure the market is ready when we are.
The Ulu is scheduled for a smaller version some time next year.
sal
The UUK is still a concept knife. That means no plans for production at this time, but we're still showing it at shows for reaction. I like the design, as do a number of others that have seen it. On the other hand, we really haven't seen a large enough number say "I'd like to order one of those", at this time. The cost to tool up and go into production on a new model, especially an MBC model, is high, so we want to make sure the market is ready when we are.
The Ulu is scheduled for a smaller version some time next year.
sal