Any Spyderco in framelock?

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Recently I've had a wave Delica 4th , I love it much as my EDC, just feel a bit inconvenient for the backlock which is not easy to one-hand open/close.

Found it seems most Spyderco made as backlock, just wondering is there any Delica made in framelock or other Spyderco model could be?

I'm new to this forum, thanks any response from Spyderco experts over here in advance.:)

prs.
 
I think the backlock is a piece of cake to manipulate... in fact it is amongst my favorite locks.

I can add only one to D25's list... the Catbyrd.
 
:confused: I never knew there were frame locked Spydercos out there :o. I've always bought the ones with lockbacks, one with a liner lock (the Military), and my newest edition is the Ball bearing lock on my D'allara.
 
prs,

Opening and closing my Spyderco lockbacks one handed is very easy and fun to do. You may have to let knife wear in a little and give yourself some practice.

All you do is:

1) Open the knife with your thumb.
2)Hold the knife away from you with your thumb on the backlock.
3)Position your index finger towards the end of the handle.
4)Push down on the backlock. The end part of the blade where it meets the handle is not sharpened, therefore your index finger can catch the blade here safely.
5)Then you can wrap your fingers around the handle and close the blade with your thumb. Be sure your fingers are obviously out of the way.

It's easy with a little practice. Good luck!
 
D25 said:
Spin, Volpe, Cricket, ATR....
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Well, to be precise, the ATR is not a framelock. And considering that the OP was talking about lock manipulation, the difference is significant (from the stand point of lock security and reliability the difference is also significant, but that is somewhat besides the point).
 
HoB said:
Well, to be precise, the ATR is not a framelock. And considering that the OP was talking about lock manipulation, the difference is significant (from the stand point of lock security and reliability the difference is also significant, but that is somewhat besides the point).
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Well it is a frame compression lock.

Anyway, it's weird that people have problems closing the back lock, I think it's even easier than closing a liner/frame lock. You just do it a little differently, that's all.
 
I have a Millie that has a framelock that was done by STR! It is the best framelock I have seen. If you want one all you do is buy a Millie and send it to STR and let him do his magic! If Sal could see it he would start production ASAP! :thumbup: Kevin
 
kda89508 said:
If Sal could see it he would start production ASAP! :thumbup: Kevin
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Pretty please with money on top, yes! I'd buy one(production model would be cool, so I wouldn't have to deal with the cross-border shipping/wait times/fees.
 
HoB said:
Well, to be precise, the ATR is not a framelock. And considering that the OP was talking about lock manipulation, the difference is significant (from the stand point of lock security and reliability the difference is also significant, but that is somewhat besides the point).
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The locking element on the A.T.R. is an integral part of the frame, functioning basically the same as any other framelock during lock-up. I'd also agree with D25 that it meets the definition of a frame lock, whether Spyderco calls it something else or not.

As for lock security and reliability, now that you've made it a point, I can't see why the lockbar and its resulting lock-up in this case would be any less secure/reliable than if placed in the normal thumb position of a standard framelock. Care to elaborate?

That leaves lock manipulation, where there is obviously a difference that would require a certain amount of practice.

Ray :)
 
Well, I thought we had beaten this horse to death....so if someone complains, it is on your head :).

The integral compression lock (that is the correct term) is in terms of function completely different from a Chris Reeve style integral frame lock (also correct term). It may look simply inverted but there are two essential differences: The first is the direction of the force acting on the lock. In a frame lock the force is ALONG the cutout that forms the lockbar, or if you will, from choil to butt. In an integral compression lock the force acting is TRANSVERSE to the cutout or from bottom (where your fingers would be) to top (were your palm is, when holding the knife. The lock bar is further wedged between the tang and a stopping pin. This means that the lock bar is far less likely to slip from the tang (better reliability) and the force is acting over a much shorter distance INTO a stopping pin, which should make it much more easy to engineer a stronger lock and the numbers on the available models shows that the lock strength on the compression lock models is among the strongest locking mechanisms available.

From a technical point of view, considering the way the locks are loaded, there isn't even a remote resemblance between a frame lock and and integral compression lock. They are as different as a top wing airplane is to a bottom wing airplane (not exactly the best comparison, but I hope it gets the point across).

I also disagree that it "just requires some getting used to'. Considering that the OP stated that he has trouble manipulating a backlock and is looking for a framelock, it seems pointless to suggest knife with another lock on the top of the handle.
 
Thanks all you Spyderco experts' kindly response!
To secure my money out...I'll follow amen74 's suggestion to practice my fingers, wish I could soon be nature as darthsoaker mentioned. :)
(of course, a way of buying a framelock Millie done by STR is still very luring me...;))

prs.
 
HoB said:
Well, I thought we had beaten this horse to death....so if someone complains, it is on your head :).

The integral compression lock (that is the correct term) is in terms of function completely different from a Chris Reeve style integral frame lock (also correct term). It may look simply inverted but there are two essential differences: The first is the direction of the force acting on the lock. In a frame lock the force is ALONG the cutout that forms the lockbar, or if you will, from choil to butt. In an integral compression lock the force acting is TRANSVERSE to the cutout or from bottom (where your fingers would be) to top (were your palm is, when holding the knife. The lock bar is further wedged between the tang and a stopping pin. This means that the lock bar is far less likely to slip from the tang (better reliability) and the force is acting over a much shorter distance INTO a stopping pin, which should make it much more easy to engineer a stronger lock and the numbers on the available models shows that the lock strength on the compression lock models is among the strongest locking mechanisms available.

From a technical point of view, considering the way the locks are loaded, there isn't even a remote resemblance between a frame lock and and integral compression lock. They are as different as a top wing airplane is to a bottom wing airplane (not exactly the best comparison, but I hope it gets the point across).

I also disagree that it "just requires some getting used to'. Considering that the OP stated that he has trouble manipulating a backlock and is looking for a framelock, it seems pointless to suggest knife with another lock on the top of the handle.
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Just to clear the air, it was the perceived tone (purely my perception, I suppose) of your initial response that had me bristling a little and triggered my response. My apologies for not searching back for any previous discussion of the engineering considerations associated with these 2 lock types. Anyway (again, at least to me), you seemed to be implying that the A.T.R.'s lock was less secure/reliable than a standard frame lock...hence my reply.

Thanks for clarifying...which did nothing to eliminate the purely subjective nature of your claim that the integral compression lock (that is the correct term) is in terms of function completely different from a Chris Reeve style integral frame lock. Functionally the locks are basically the same regardless of the differences in force directions and distances involved during lock-up and as a result of any lock stresses during use. This is really more a matter of point-or-view (and possibly semantics) than engineering.

However, if this has truly been beaten to death before, so be it....you win...:D

Ray :)
 
Wow, i didn't mean to stir the hornets nest or anything. I was just shootin' from the hip with that list.

But i am curious now- is a Spydercard or Flatbyrd a frame lock?
 
D25 said:
Wow, i didn't mean to stir the hornets nest or anything. I was just shootin' from the hip with that list.

But i am curious now- is a Spydercard or Flatbyrd a frame lock?
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I'd consider it a framelock, albeit one in an interesting position, but yes, still a framelock.
 
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