Any traditional knife lovers like non-tradional alloys?

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Apparently I may someday have to admit to being a bit of a knife nut but no doubt I'm becoming a steel snob. So. Are there any other traditional steel snobs out there, besides myself?
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As you may guess from the picture I like 3 1/4” stockmans, I've had one in my watch pocket since 1968 or thereabouts. It's a pattern that does 95% everything I need a knife to do. A knife can be a lot of things an heirloom, a treasured gift or collectible but always a tool and as a tool it needs to cut. If I had to sharpen a knife to often, in my mind the tool failed at it's main function. (cutting)

A couple or three years ago I didn't even realize you could get a traditional pattern in a steel other than 1095, 420HC or some 440 variant. Then I found a Queen 26ACSB Small Stockman D2. Almost as soon as it hit the mail box I had a good edge on it. Then went out of my way to work it for a week, I cut and sliced everything in sight. Now the little Queen stockman is the one that's always in my watch pocket.

Most of the time I carry a second heavier knife in the right front pocket and I almost dropped the hammer on a Queen railsplitter. I finally came to the realization that I didn't need the 3 blades of a stockman variant. At least not as a second knife. I didn't need more blade length just more handle. A single blade with a drop or spear point with a little more meat to it would handle the rest of my cutting needs.

Enter the Northwoods Knives: Indian River Jack. CPM154 steel. Amber of course, they need to match in order to work, don't they?:rolleyes:
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I value the fact that I can cut and slice as much as with my old knives and then go do it again, before having to touch it up with a fine diamond.
I have found my two patterns and steels and it only took me 49 years. That's my traditional steel snob story.

But you know the ebony jack would look good with, …........ well forget that thought.
 
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Im a bit of a steel snob myself. I own a bit of everything but I definitely gravitate more towards D2, 154cm, 14-4 latrobe, and BG-42.
 
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Although not snobbish about it, I do enjoy the newer high grade steels. I have several each of Queen's D2 and Schatt & Morgan's ATS-34. Traditional pocket knives are not really the arena for "super steels" to shine, but I have quite a few fixed blades in 3V, S90V and S110V for hard outdoor use. I would like to see GEC offer a standard pattern in a new steel each year, like Spyderco does with their Mule Team offerings. Perhaps someday . . .
 
I am a steel snob in a way I guess. I won't buy a modern unless it has what I consider the best on the market, but for traditionals? Heck no. I love my traditional knives to have carbon or tool steel. Plus, as it turns out carbon and tool steel kinda rocks ;)
 
Not a steel snob here. I don't use a knife for significant work where I'd see the benefit, to be honest. I prefer something that I can sharpen and maintain with my skills and tools, and that hits an affordable price point for me.

I would like to see more options in 440C from GEC, and more options in CV steel from Case, but those are still the 'peasant' level steels. I've got a Queen in D2 and it's a fine knife, but I can't really tell the difference in the steel other than I'm glad I had some diamond stones to get it sharp the first time.
 
Not fussed really, I like carbon steel because of the patina which I find pleasing to the eye, but I have a rough rider in 440A which has a cracking edge.

I like all sorts :)
 
Not with traditionals...1095, 440C, 420HC, sandvik steels, etc are all fine by me. I'm more concerned with nice covers and good fit & finish honestly. I hope Frank and Gary will bear with me for a second, modern content ahead. :o it's a different story with moderns. I've stayed away from knives like the Southern Grind Bad Monkey because they're nearly $200 and use 14c28n. While that's a great steel, for $200? Normally I'd expect 154CM, S30V, D2, ELMAX, or something comparable. To be totally clear; they're great knives and I'll probably own one, but the steel has held me back. As long as they matrials are good, they don't have to be the newest or the best, the design and fit/finish rule supreme. :)
 
I don't consider myself a snob, but I do like 440C, D2, 52100, S30V, and CPM154...in carbon steel I might be a little snobbish ;) I really like the old Schrade carbon steel the best, with GEC's 1095 running a very close second :D
 
I don't consider myself a snob, but I do like 440C, D2, 52100, S30V, and CPM154...in carbon steel I might be a little snobbish ;) I really like the old Schrade carbon steel the best, with GEC's 1095 running a very close second :D

I can get on that wagon!
 
I am a steel snob, s&m ats34, case ats34, case 154cm, 2 customs in ats 34. But hey, its fun and there is no rust. I like a good edge and a shiny blade.
 
I know it sounds sacrilegious, but I prefer the stainless for the ease of maintenance over the carbon just mainly cause I don't care for the patina on my blades. I have quite a few carbon bladed traditionals but I keep them wiped down.

No real issues with performance though. They all work fine and in a blind taste test, I'm guessing I couldn't tell the difference all things being equal. Just like the newer steels better.
 
I don't know if I can call myself a steel snob but studying steels did bring me to the traditional forum. I spent days looking for a traditional in M390 before giving up. I enjoy studying the make up of steels, the use for certain types, and what would be better for what. Yet, I don't really need, nor collect, based on steel. I have my hunting knife in 52100, and may get a Survive! 4.1 in M390, if I ever stop buying traditionals long enough to have a wallet thick enough to do it. I do find I am a snob for cpm however. At the same time I enjoy the history of a knife and pattern more than steel. I suppose that is why I hang out here in the traditional more so than anywhere else.
 
I don't consider myself a snob, but I do like 440C, D2, 52100, S30V, and CPM154...in carbon steel I might be a little snobbish ;) I really like the old Schrade carbon steel the best, with GEC's 1095 running a very close second :D

I think the old USA Schrade 1095 blades are the strongest argument possible that a definitively 'traditional' steel can, in fact, be 'super steel'. Schrade's 1095 is my favorite of all, in terms of edge-taking (best I've seen), edge-holding and ease of making it so, with the most 'traditional' of means. Seems almost poetic in how it fits the 'Traditional' ideal.


David
 
I have a question for the steel snobs...

What is the major attraction for you? Is the less frequent sharpening? Or is the pleasure gained from owning and using the most technologically advanced blade? Or is it something other?

It's all good. Paraphrasing Pirsig[1], quality is whatever produces peace of mind. Just wondering what peace of mind looks like with super steels.

Second question... Do modern diamond stones pretty much eliminate the problems with sharpening or are true super steels hard to deal with even with Diamond stones?

[1] - I'm pretty sure Pirsig carried an Opinel.
 
Would you mind giving some examples of traditionals using these steels? I know Queen uses D2 but I don't see the others often.

Im a bit of a steel snob myself. I own a bit of everything but I definitely gravitate more towards D2, 154cm, 14-4 latrobe, and BG-42.

brownshoe - Are there any Case knives that come in ats-34 or 154cm that aren't Case/Bose models?
 
Case did a line of knives in 154CM in 2007 I believe. You can still find a few floating around that weren't sold at the time. They are in the standard Case patterns.
 
I'm not a steel snob. Blade length and type are more a priority for me. But I do like stainless only because it stops me having to explain to the Minister of Home Affairs why that new knife that I paid XXX bucks for "corrodes" with one use :D

Linus
 
I have a question for the steel snobs...

pinnah “What is the major attraction for you? Is the less frequent sharpening? Or is the pleasure gained from owning and using the most technologically advanced blade? Or is it something other?”

For me it's all about better edge holding to me that's functional beauty.

Pinnah” It's all good. Paraphrasing Pirsig[1], quality is whatever produces peace of mind. Just wondering what peace of mind looks like with super steels.”

Quality like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I appreciate better edge holding abilities as much as others appreciate a well aged patina on their 1095.

pinnah “Second question... Do modern diamond stones pretty much eliminate the problems with sharpening or are true super steels hard to deal with even with Diamond stones? “

I don't know about eliminate but it a necessity especially to re-profile.
I treat these steels differently than 1095 or 420HC, those steels could be worn dull and quickly resharpened with a stone with out a problem.
Steels like D2, CPM154, 154CM and M390 I don't usually let get dull when they start to loose there edge I'll give them a few licks with a 1500 diamond stone. That will bring them back to life pretty quick. Even with out letting them get as dull I seem to get more use out of the edge.
 
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I don't think there are a lot of companies using the more modern steels. Schatt & Morgan File & Wire series uses ATS34, Northwoods has CPM154 but only 1 pattern.
 
I can get on that wagon!

I think the old USA Schrade 1095 blades are the strongest argument possible that a definitively 'traditional' steel can, in fact, be 'super steel'. Schrade's 1095 is my favorite of all, in terms of edge-taking (best I've seen), edge-holding and ease of making it so, with the most 'traditional' of means. Seems almost poetic in how it fits the 'Traditional' ideal.


David

:thumbup: :thumbup: :)
 
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