Anybody dissapointed with new Schrade?

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Jamo where is Larry in the above Stooge act..he was my favourite..he always sat on the fence not being controversial and he still invariably got poked in the eyes or led along by his nostrils....bit like life really!...Hoo Roo[/QUOTE]

Don't know UL the only Larry I know has a tang stamp .

The other is a Schrade immortal that has given us mortals some Schrade intelligence to play with for the rest of our lives .

Just the shitrade talk makes my gut churn . :barf::barf::barf:

I used to always want Larry and Curly to turn around and drop Moe .:)

Anymore Shitrade and i'll buy a pallet of them just to list honestly Worldwide .
 
I think the obvious solution to this concern about Schrade knives being imported is everyone in this forum should pool their money, go to Taylor, buy back the trademark, buy some equipment, and start the factory back. I'd guess Ellenville could probably come up with some tax incentives to do so.

Everything else is just talk--and bitching about something you can't change.

I wonder has anyone here contacted Taylor and expressed your concerns? Or since the knowledge here is so good, offered their services to Taylor on a consulting basis?


Schrade's Ellenville facility and making knives there is nothing more than nostalgia. The reason the factory closed has nothing to do with Taylor. A causal reader of this forum might easily think that Taylor had a hand in the factory's demise. He didn't.

All he did was walk into a public auction, open to anyone who could prove their financial seriousness, and outbid everyone else in the room. No one here is complaining at the various US manufacturers who could have stepped in and bought the mark and kept the knives American made. No one did.

The reality is Shrade in Ellenville closed because they couldn't make a profit.

Taylor bought the mark, and I would assume he does make a profit, albeit primarily with imported knives (although he does have some patterns US made). Sorry but that is the American capitalistic system. Profit. Some can, some can't.

Mike Black tested Schrade's imported knives against Ellenville-made Schrades and found nothing wrong with the imported knives--in fact in a cutting test they were comparable if not better. He published those results in Knives Illustrated Magazine.

Perhaps the critics of Schrade's modern knives should trot out their own personal OBJECTIVE research data, rather than just opinions. It would have more weight.

I personally have to give Taylor respect and admiration for someone who put down in excess of 3 1/2 million dollars to keep the Schrade name alive. If there was anyone else more committed than Taylor, why weren't they at the auction putting their money on the table?

Maybe some of those here in this forum wouldn't agree with my opinion, but that's America too, isn't it?
 
Bruce,
I tend not to get into these types of discussions but I need to point out that we have done testing and comparisons between older US and current Taylor made knives and reported those results here. Maybe we are a bit biased but with some good reasons. No one has done a recent test here maybe we could ask you to do so. Try a destructive test on a LB7 or one of the smaller blades. The most extensive test to date was on a 7OT. Comparing the modern styles to the 2000-2004 USA styles probably wont show much difference as they may have also been imports.
We have weighed and have disected a few knives looking at the construction comparing them and also reporting them here.
I can dig up the original 7OT test done back in 2007/8 by Tim.

I don't like the personal attacks against Mr Taylor and by all accounts he has treated all contacts made to him very well but the issue is that the current knives made looking like the old production models just don't have the same feel, weight or strength.

Thanks
 
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TAYLOR SUCKS!! If they wanted to do something with Schrade why didn't they restructure the company in Ellenville or Walden or somewhere in the US? Can that even be done in this country anymore the way things are? I got suckered twice in 2006 on Ebay and I was ticked. I returned one, an 881Y type "Schrade Walden" in the forged plastic tube. The guy was mad at me for not falling for it,(like he did). The other one I just couldn't stand to look at and threw it away. I'm ticked that they are so dishonest as to use what I consider dirty tricks to get people to buy their cheap foreign made crap. I'm a little wiser now since I started collecting more seriously in '06. But without holding it in your hand you sometimes have to look hard to not get skunked on the frauds sold online.
For what it's worth I feel the same way about Tim Leatherman selling out to an outfit that took the Leatherman tools and jobs to Japan. If I need a new one I go to ebay and get one stamped USA.
 
Posts number 22 and 23 by Bruce and Larry are well worth reading and digesting. They are both valid opinions and, I think, the best of the lot in this thread. I would respectfully request that we now let this thread RIP. Thanks! -Cal P.
 
I would be pleased if the mods would lock it. These threads usually end up unpleasant. This is the Schrade USA forum.
 
Tracy said:
For what it's worth I feel the same way about Tim Leatherman selling out to an outfit that took the Leatherman tools and jobs to Japan. If I need a new one I go to ebay and get one stamped USA.
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Who are you, first time poster, and why did you toss in a line about Leatherman? Do you have a reference for them leaving Oregon? Or is this just trolling? It certainly has nothing to do with this thread or this subforum.

Edit to add: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=745350
 
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Bruce Voyles, an honest, well-respected, successful member of the knife world, tried to add a bit of reason to this discussion, but was ignored by all but one member. It was a nice try, Mr. Voyles.

Testing knives: I'd put more stock in a knife test by a magazine than members of a forum where the deck is already stacked. I'd put much more stock into a blind test, with a cross section of many, average knife users. Say a hundred participants and a hundred knives. That is how things are done. Plain fact is that the average knife user is probably satisfied with the Taylor Schrades.

I am certainly not happy about Schrade now being made in China, who could be? But it is a pipe dream if any of you think that those good old knives could be made once more in Ellenville with the employees making a livable wage and the company making a profit.

A regular member of this forum that I know quite well sent me a link to a post by a representative of Taylor Brands that joined this forum-- as a platinum member!. He was treated like crap. Seems to me you folks here would end up the winners in making some kinda relationship with the Taylor company, rather than... Oh, what is use?
 
I tend to agree with Mr Voyles and OldKnife on most of those issues. Schrade was going down whether we liked it or not, and Mr Taylor has every right to earn back the money he spent on those properties. I think the blame for it's demise rests on a host of other institutions (read banks) and occurences, not to mention the shear size of the plant and the ridiculous cost of running it. It's nice how our government gave China favored nation status, meaning that there were very few tarriffs levied on theire products (such as knives), while our cutleries were simultaniously taxed to death.

The thing that I think most folks here grow angry with is the fact that the packaging was made so similar that it's hard to tell a USA Schrade from a new Schrade, and there are a goodly number of shysters out there who are more than happy to take advantage of this. This is a USA Schrade forum after all, so there's bound to be some bias for sure, but I think blaming Mr Taylor for all that's happened takes things a little too far.

Eric
 
The outsiders in this thread either haven't got a clue, or they're simply shills.

This is the Schrade Knives Collectors Forum Imperial Schrade Corp. - maker of Schrade Knives & Tools, including the famous Uncle Henry and Old Timer Brands - all made in the USA. Since Schrade closed their doors, this forum has become a site for the collectors to meet and share information.

Anyone who wants to discuss currently manufactured knives with the Schrade name can post their interests in the General Knife Discussion.

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