Anybody like Cinquedea ?

Does Ed Schempp’s Eurofighter goes for such type or it is different profile blade ?

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Euro edge is the name of it, just as the knife you’re asking is “euro” creation. I spoke with Ed Schempp about it and he said that he studded the knives from that era, Spanish and North African. I remember he mentioned that the grooves on the originals are not intended for directing blood but to lighten the blade and make it more flexible.
So my question was if we can consider this Spyderco to be something like the knife/sword from the op or not, I’m not really interested of how the company will name the model…
 
So, Zulus, with now you having received your Cold Steel Cinquedea, do you like it?

I purchased mine strictly as an addition to my collection. I absolutely love the way mine looks! I believe the old school hand hammer & anvil forged method of construction they use to make these in India, adds to it's authentic appearance. There are very few other producers of Cinquedea pattern daggers/short swords (Del Tin being one of them) 👍
 
PocketKnifeJimmy said:
So, Zulus, with now you having received your Cold Steel Cinquedea, do you like it?

I purchased mine strictly as an addition to my collection. I absolutely love the way mine looks! I believe the old school hand hammer & anvil forged method of construction they use to make these in India, adds to it's authentic appearance. There are very few other producers of Cinquedea pattern daggers/short swords (Del Tin being one of them) 👍
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Actually it's pretty good
Of course it isn't EDC - but who knows the Future ...
Handling of that big knife (or short sword) is amazingly good !!
I don't plan to cut some papers or trees with it

I'm purchase happy
Who knows how long that opportunity will last these days ...
 
Legendary_Jarl said:
Do you own that bronze age sword from your profile pic?
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Thanks for asking, no that piece belonged to a customer, one of the few that actually received their order from Armart before those talented shysters absconded with a lot of peoples money. I did build the black and white scabbard in the background. As it turns out hair on goat hide is nasty stuff to work with!😀
 
Legendary_Jarl said:
I like the looks of this one but I don't think it would make for a very good weapon specially in the time when they used armor. I mean there is a reason they hardly lasted.
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This post is unfortunately typical of what we see in the vast majority of sword forums, where most people are bereft of a solid grounding in the history of these kinds of weapons, a solid grounding in combat experience with these weapons and their likeness, or both. The cinquedea is a viable weapon for civilian defense or war, and I'll tell you why.

The cinquedea has the same size and proportions as the Greek xiphe, which was used effectively in warfare for an extended period. The Spartans in particular, who were among the very best warriors, preferred the shorter of these kinds of blades, and there is a very good reason for that. When engaged in combat at war, you are required to remove the enemy as quickly as possible, and repeat these actions as long as required. This required endurance, and therefore you could not afford to waste time or energy on strikes or other movements that accomplish nothing. These strikes are very common today in movies and even surviving 'modernized' martial arts.

Historic example:

Firstly, if you are not within arm's reach of an enemy, they you shouldn't be using a sword, you'd employ the much more effective spear. However when in an enclosed space, or in the press of melee caused by the need to drive the enemy or stand ground, you will be at very close quarters. You won't have the space to employ a long weapon, or even the time to draw it.

In war, you invariably faced opponents with shields, because they were the best defensive equipment you could have. Getting past a shield quickly requires a short blade that can get around or inside this defense. A xiphe with a blade in the range of 12-14" is very fast, and unlike longer blades, is less likely to bend or break when warded by something solid. The xiphe was very broad bladed not to cause a wider puncture wound as some have speculated, but to carry the kinetic energy required to deliver a cut or thrust that could remove a limb, or pass deeply enough into the body to kill. Anyone who has fought melee with shields will eventually realize the advantage of a short, heavy weapon. The Romans used the gladius for exactly the same reasons.

The CS cinquedea is a good and viable weapon. Consider the above facts with regard to your expected engagement**. Far too many people nowadays are selecting hand weapons for impractical, misinformed, or fanciful reasons, and if they ever have to use them, will likely die as a consequence.

**It is perhaps an unfortunate fact that people do look for and acquire bladed weapons with the idea that they may one day need to be used. The kinds of conditions found in historical warfare are commonly re-created by historic martial arts and reenactment groups, but they can also occur in a modern urban environment when the region is afflicted by violent events, or the society is collapsing. There are many reasons that people have these concerns, and many people do have them. If you're entirely divorced from such ideas, that is wonderful, but should not become a basis for ridicule.
 
Fauld said:
This post is unfortunately typical of what we see in the vast majority of sword forums, where most people are bereft of a solid grounding in the history of these kinds of weapons, a solid grounding in combat experience with these weapons and their likeness, or both. The cinquedea is a viable weapon for civilian defense or war, and I'll tell you why.

The cinquedea has the same size and proportions as the Greek xiphe, which was used effectively in warfare for an extended period. The Spartans in particular, who were among the very best warriors, preferred the shorter of these kinds of blades, and there is a very good reason for that. When engaged in combat at war, you are required to remove the enemy as quickly as possible, and repeat these actions as long as required. This required endurance, and therefore you could not afford to waste time or energy on strikes or other movements that accomplish nothing. These strikes are very common today in movies and even surviving 'modernized' martial arts.

Historic example:

Firstly, if you are not within arm's reach of an enemy, they you shouldn't be using a sword, you'd employ the much more effective spear. However when in an enclosed space, or in the press of melee caused by the need to drive the enemy or stand ground, you will be at very close quarters. You won't have the space to employ a long weapon, or even the time to draw it.

In war, you invariably faced opponents with shields, because they were the best defensive equipment you could have. Getting past a shield quickly requires a short blade that can get around or inside this defense. A xiphe with a blade in the range of 12-14" is very fast, and unlike longer blades, is less likely to bend or break when warded by something solid. The xiphe was very broad bladed not to cause a wider puncture wound as some have speculated, but to carry the kinetic energy required to deliver a cut or thrust that could remove a limb, or pass deeply enough into the body to kill. Anyone who has fought melee with shields will eventually realize the advantage of a short, heavy weapon. The Romans used the gladius for exactly the same reasons.

The CS cinquedea is a good and viable weapon. Consider the above facts with regard to your expected engagement**. Far too many people nowadays are selecting hand weapons for impractical, misinformed, or fanciful reasons, and if they ever have to use them, will likely die as a consequence.

**It is perhaps an unfortunate fact that people do look for and acquire bladed weapons with the idea that they may one day need to be used. The kinds of conditions found in historical warfare are commonly re-created by historic martial arts and reenactment groups, but they can also occur in a modern urban environment when the region is afflicted by violent events, or the society is collapsing. There are many reasons that people have these concerns, and many people do have them. If you're entirely divorced from such ideas, that is wonderful, but should not become a basis for ridicule.
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Yes, you are correct. Clearly this Xiphos is identical to the Cold Steel Cinquedea and to that completely unrelated Bronze Age sword you posted.

🤣 Go back to SBG with that BS bible you just posted or to whatever incel dungeon you came from.
 
Fauld said:
This post is unfortunately typical of what we see in the vast majority of sword forums, where most people are bereft of a solid grounding in the history of these kinds of weapons, a solid grounding in combat experience with these weapons and their likeness, or both. The cinquedea is a viable weapon for civilian defense or war, and I'll tell you why.

The cinquedea has the same size and proportions as the Greek xiphe, which was used effectively in warfare for an extended period. The Spartans in particular, who were among the very best warriors, preferred the shorter of these kinds of blades, and there is a very good reason for that. When engaged in combat at war, you are required to remove the enemy as quickly as possible, and repeat these actions as long as required. This required endurance, and therefore you could not afford to waste time or energy on strikes or other movements that accomplish nothing. These strikes are very common today in movies and even surviving 'modernized' martial arts.

Historic example:

Firstly, if you are not within arm's reach of an enemy, they you shouldn't be using a sword, you'd employ the much more effective spear. However when in an enclosed space, or in the press of melee caused by the need to drive the enemy or stand ground, you will be at very close quarters. You won't have the space to employ a long weapon, or even the time to draw it.

In war, you invariably faced opponents with shields, because they were the best defensive equipment you could have. Getting past a shield quickly requires a short blade that can get around or inside this defense. A xiphe with a blade in the range of 12-14" is very fast, and unlike longer blades, is less likely to bend or break when warded by something solid. The xiphe was very broad bladed not to cause a wider puncture wound as some have speculated, but to carry the kinetic energy required to deliver a cut or thrust that could remove a limb, or pass deeply enough into the body to kill. Anyone who has fought melee with shields will eventually realize the advantage of a short, heavy weapon. The Romans used the gladius for exactly the same reasons.

The CS cinquedea is a good and viable weapon. Consider the above facts with regard to your expected engagement**. Far too many people nowadays are selecting hand weapons for impractical, misinformed, or fanciful reasons, and if they ever have to use them, will likely die as a consequence.

**It is perhaps an unfortunate fact that people do look for and acquire bladed weapons with the idea that they may one day need to be used. The kinds of conditions found in historical warfare are commonly re-created by historic martial arts and reenactment groups, but they can also occur in a modern urban environment when the region is afflicted by violent events, or the society is collapsing. There are many reasons that people have these concerns, and many people do have them. If you're entirely divorced from such ideas, that is wonderful, but should not become a basis for ridicule.
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…..huh ?
 
wicked weapon that in a time of heavy thrusting techniques it was like carrying a snub nose magnum …. Relatively compact weapon that made a very large hole

neat piece of history and a nobleman's blade

just as the Japanese blade became more ornate as it was used less think of the same thing

Stock photo CS


I collect swords so I added one and for a factory cheap piece it is a nasty weapon that also has cleaving power

sheath sucks and actually started to rust the blade
 
Fauld said:
This post is unfortunately typical of what we see in the vast majority of sword forums, where most people are bereft of a solid grounding in the history of these kinds of weapons, a solid grounding in combat experience with these weapons and their likeness, or both. The cinquedea is a viable weapon for civilian defense or war, and I'll tell you why.

The cinquedea has the same size and proportions as the Greek xiphe, which was used effectively in warfare for an extended period. The Spartans in particular, who were among the very best warriors, preferred the shorter of these kinds of blades, and there is a very good reason for that. When engaged in combat at war, you are required to remove the enemy as quickly as possible, and repeat these actions as long as required. This required endurance, and therefore you could not afford to waste time or energy on strikes or other movements that accomplish nothing. These strikes are very common today in movies and even surviving 'modernized' martial arts.

Historic example:

Firstly, if you are not within arm's reach of an enemy, they you shouldn't be using a sword, you'd employ the much more effective spear. However when in an enclosed space, or in the press of melee caused by the need to drive the enemy or stand ground, you will be at very close quarters. You won't have the space to employ a long weapon, or even the time to draw it.

In war, you invariably faced opponents with shields, because they were the best defensive equipment you could have. Getting past a shield quickly requires a short blade that can get around or inside this defense. A xiphe with a blade in the range of 12-14" is very fast, and unlike longer blades, is less likely to bend or break when warded by something solid. The xiphe was very broad bladed not to cause a wider puncture wound as some have speculated, but to carry the kinetic energy required to deliver a cut or thrust that could remove a limb, or pass deeply enough into the body to kill. Anyone who has fought melee with shields will eventually realize the advantage of a short, heavy weapon. The Romans used the gladius for exactly the same reasons.

The CS cinquedea is a good and viable weapon. Consider the above facts with regard to your expected engagement**. Far too many people nowadays are selecting hand weapons for impractical, misinformed, or fanciful reasons, and if they ever have to use them, will likely die as a consequence.

**It is perhaps an unfortunate fact that people do look for and acquire bladed weapons with the idea that they may one day need to be used. The kinds of conditions found in historical warfare are commonly re-created by historic martial arts and reenactment groups, but they can also occur in a modern urban environment when the region is afflicted by violent events, or the society is collapsing. There are many reasons that people have these concerns, and many people do have them. If you're entirely divorced from such ideas, that is wonderful, but should not become a basis for ridicule.
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There's an old saying about flies and honey.... I would suggest that insulting and or belittling people with your second post might not be the most effective way to either inform or win friends. It would have been relatively easy to make the points you wanted to make without creating the animus. Unless of course that was your intent. In which case carry on....
 
Triton said:
There's an old saying about flies and honey.... I would suggest that insulting and or belittling people with your second post might not be the most effective way to either inform or win friends. It would have been relatively easy to make the points you wanted to make without creating the animus. Unless of course that was your intent. In which case carry on....
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This knucklehead comes and calls me ignorant out of the blue because I shared my personal opinion on these. All while his post is full of total BS. Same BS which is typical of people bereft of a solid grounding in the history of these kinds of weapons, a solid grounding in combat experience with these weapons and their likeness, or both.

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