Anyone else get this?

"What makes these knives so dangerous is the ease with which they can be concealed and brandished," Manhattan district Attorney Cy Vance said Thursday.

He noted that about a third of homicides in Manhattan in 2009, and so far this year, involved knives.



Funny, no mention of the kitchen knives or othe cutlery used in these murders.
 
Boy seeing those police scare pictures of all the knives laid out on the table like bags of cocaine at a drug bust really made me hunger for more knives.
 
I knew the name was familiar.

Cyrus Roberts Vance, Jr. (born June 14, 1954) is currently the New York County District Attorney (Manhattan), is an American trial lawyer and was a principal at the law firm of Morvillo, Abramowitz, Grand, Isaon, Anello & Bohrer, P.C., in New York City. He is the son of Cyrus Vance, former Secretary of State to President Jimmy Carter.
 
Truthfully I feel like this topic belongs in more places than just here. It's going to affect every online knife retailer shortly (and one is already in the mix).

Here's the official press release from the Manhattan DA: http://www.manhattanda.org/whatsnew/press/2010-06-17.shtml

Notice that, near the end, they have already implemented "Phase II." Phase II will target out of state retailers who sell to New York. Heaven help you if you've shipped a "switchblade" or "gravity knife" (read "any manual knife you can hold by the blade and somehow manage to flick open") to NY in the last few months.

And you can bet they'll be trolling these forums asking questions like "Where can I get a switchblade online guys?" It's a dark day for the knife world.
 
GingivitisKahn said:
The Constitution isn't flexible no matter how much certain politicians want to pretend it is. Anti-gun laws are catastrophically ineffective (unless, of course, the objective is to make citizens less safe - and that may well be the objective).

I'm with you on your view of anti-knife laws, I'm just saying they are no better or worse than equally horrific anti-gun laws.

By the way, the Second Amendment doesn't just forbid our government from infringing our right to bear firearms - it applies to arms in general (including firearms, knives and so on).
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The constitution is most definitely flexible, simply by the fact that it can be amended. Therefore, it is flexible.

I am not going to argue with you whether the 2nd Amendment forbids the government from infringing our right to arms. Nor am I going to unilaterally agree with you.

Leaving that aside, again anti-gun laws are much more effective at keeping guns out of the hands people than anti-knife laws. I am not arguing the effect on society, I am arguing the ability of the law to achieve it's goal of preventing arms in the hands of citizens. Since you can always go to a tool store or a kitchen store and legally get a knife it is basically impossible to stop people from carrying one. Living in NYC, I can tell you, almost none of my friends would know how to get a gun from an illegal source.
 
richw said:
The constitution is most definitely flexible, simply by the fact that it can be amended. Therefore, it is flexible.

I am not going to argue with you whether the 2nd Amendment forbids the government from infringing our right to arms. Nor am I going to unilaterally agree with you.

Leaving that aside, again anti-gun laws are much more effective at keeping guns out of the hands people than anti-knife laws. I am not arguing the effect on society, I am arguing the ability of the law to achieve it's goal of preventing arms in the hands of citizens. Since you can always go to a tool store or a kitchen store and legally get a knife it is basically impossible to stop people from carrying one. Living in NYC, I can tell you, almost none of my friends would know how to get a gun from an illegal source.
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Perhaps we had a communication thing. You say a document is flexible and I hear "open to interpretation". I see now that you mean it can be amended, which is of course accurate. As to your friends not knowing how to get a gun illegally - thats likely because your friends are good, law-abiding people and shouldn't be banned from having firearms in the first place.

As to the other poster that mentions being able to open a 110 one handed - very true. My crappy little Gerber LST opens very quickly and easily with one hand - that certainly doesn't incite me to go on a crime spree of any sort.

We *really* need to fire the thug politicians responsible for crummy laws like this one.
 
tom19176 said:
here is a link that shows pictures of illegal knives, Kershaws, Buck and other are called switchblades and gravity knives.....

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/loc...-knives-at-major-new-york-stores-20100617-apx
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These stores should pull out of NYC altogether. Maybe they were forced to fork over a couple of million but that will be a drop in the bucket compared to the loss of tax revenue that NYC will experience if they decide to move out of Dictator Bloomberg's bailiwick. Tom, thanks for sharing the link. Sometimes, the best policy is to vote with one's feet! :thumbup: ;)
 
tom19176 said:
here is a link that shows pictures of illegal knives, Kershaws, Buck and other are called switchblades and gravity knives.....

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/loc...-knives-at-major-new-york-stores-20100617-apx
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It's the misinformation that frosts my nuggets!! :thumbdn:

"They're designed to snap open and are generally illegal in New York state."

Not True!!
Generally illegal in New York City - probably.
NY state (last time I checked) had no issues with one hand or assisted knives.

In fact you can legally carry a switchblade in upstate NY if fishing, hunting or trapping.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I knew the name was familiar.

Cyrus Roberts Vance, Jr. (born June 14, 1954) is currently the New York County District Attorney (Manhattan), is an American trial lawyer and was a principal at the law firm of Morvillo, Abramowitz, Grand, Isaon, Anello & Bohrer, P.C., in New York City. He is the son of Cyrus Vance, former Secretary of State to President Jimmy Carter.
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Esav, what ever happened to Robert Morgenthau? He was around, like, forever. I remember that he prosecuted Berhnard Goetz back in the mid 1980s and former New York Giants running back Plaxico Burriss fairly recently (unlicensed gun charge). Is Morgenthau no longer the D.A.?
 
yes Morgenthau is no longer DA, not sure if he retired or lost an election. Either way he was around waaaaaaay to long.
 
Morgenthau just left a few months ago. He retired. This attack on the sellers was last done in Queens, Brooklyn and Manhattan back in 2003 with small stores who ended up paying fines. There was a part of me that had wanted the DA to go after the seller( I had said this in other older posts), ONLY because I thought they would fight the case and win. In Illnois Walmart was charged for selling switchblades ( Kershaw leeks) and Walmart fought and won!

AOs are not switchblades by defintion of NY law. They maybe considered "dangerous" knives, but that would need to be proven.
In NYC and NY you can legally carry a gravity knife or switchblade for use fishing, hunting and trapping. In NYC that requires you to be going directly to the sport, and since only fishing is legal that is the only choice in NYC. The rest of the state follows the NYS PL that says you can own them for those three activities but it does not require the direct to and from.
 
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