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Anyone ever use there knife against another person?
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Interesting question. Even more interesting will be the potential "Yes" responses.
As a former LEO I cannot think of a worse choice for a self-defense tool than a knife. To use a knife effectively you have to be very close to the other person(s)... too close. Unless you are well trained and practiced in using a knife for self-defense it could just as easily end up being used against you. Have seen it happen on numerous occassions.
AJ
As a former LEO I cannot think of a worse choice for a self-defense tool than a knife. To use a knife effectively you have to be very close to the other person(s)... too close. Unless you are well trained and practiced in using a knife for self-defense it could just as easily end up being used against you. Have seen it happen on numerous occassions.
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Training is good,everyone should be prepared.However,never underestimate an untrained persons will to survive.I wouldn't want to face anybody with a knife that was willing to fight for their life whether a MBC expert or just a house wife with no training.In my opinion the only reliable tool that would beable to allow you to keep a safe distance away is a gun.Many already know a gun is not always an option,especially in more anti-gun States and City's.I think a knife is a viable tool for defense.I sure feel more secure with a blade then pepper spray.
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Never had occaison to (and hope never to need to).
However I've a few thoughts to share on knife combat...
It's definetely a "specialized" form of combat, and, unbelieveably, can seriously limit your defensive options (particularly if the vast majority of your combat training is in unarmed, like me). The simple truth is, when you fill your hand with a knife, you essentially sacrifice that hand to the knife, which means it can't be really used for grabs or manipulating your foe, and you have to be aware of it as it's a potential danger to yourself as well. It's all in what you want to do really... if your goal is to provide the best defense to your person in a STRICTLY defensive sense, unarmed is probably your best choice, but at times, depending on how escalated the conflict is, the best defense can be a good offense (e.g. knife or firearm). It really boils down to how strongly you want to neutralize the threat, if your threat is so hostile or so dangerous that true, honest-to-god incapacitation is required, a knife (or better yet, firearm) is a good choice, as it can definetely get you there quicker, but you need to be aware that the knife limits your ability to defend yourself in lieu of enhancing your ability to attack, and that it definetely raises the ante, as your foe will become more desperate, and, should you strike him, you may have to deal with the consequences of killing or maiming him (which means lawsuits and police and all kinds of nasty things)
Moral of story: the best defense is an APPROPRIATE defense, you don't pull a knife on a guy who's crowding you in the supermarket even though you asked him not to.
Just my experience...
However I've a few thoughts to share on knife combat...
It's definetely a "specialized" form of combat, and, unbelieveably, can seriously limit your defensive options (particularly if the vast majority of your combat training is in unarmed, like me). The simple truth is, when you fill your hand with a knife, you essentially sacrifice that hand to the knife, which means it can't be really used for grabs or manipulating your foe, and you have to be aware of it as it's a potential danger to yourself as well. It's all in what you want to do really... if your goal is to provide the best defense to your person in a STRICTLY defensive sense, unarmed is probably your best choice, but at times, depending on how escalated the conflict is, the best defense can be a good offense (e.g. knife or firearm). It really boils down to how strongly you want to neutralize the threat, if your threat is so hostile or so dangerous that true, honest-to-god incapacitation is required, a knife (or better yet, firearm) is a good choice, as it can definetely get you there quicker, but you need to be aware that the knife limits your ability to defend yourself in lieu of enhancing your ability to attack, and that it definetely raises the ante, as your foe will become more desperate, and, should you strike him, you may have to deal with the consequences of killing or maiming him (which means lawsuits and police and all kinds of nasty things)
Moral of story: the best defense is an APPROPRIATE defense, you don't pull a knife on a guy who's crowding you in the supermarket even though you asked him not to.
Just my experience...
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ED T,
Funny, my wife pulls the opposite trick on me! "You bought another knife - well then I get to buy another dress"
Funny, my wife pulls the opposite trick on me! "You bought another knife - well then I get to buy another dress"
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Well I haven't pulled one on a person, nor would I ever want to. I used a khukuri to chase off 2 large dogs chasing after my brother, I was ready to do them if they ever caught up to my bro before turning tail.
There's also similar threads like these with some interesting reading.
There's also similar threads like these with some interesting reading.
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Besides, I'd have to get outta this comfy chair if I needed to protect myself...lol
My ex-buddy John Biddleman though, some lunatic went after him with a meat cleaver once...this after he'd pulled a Buck folder on the guy...
'Rock, paper, scissor's' I guess...
Mel
My ex-buddy John Biddleman though, some lunatic went after him with a meat cleaver once...this after he'd pulled a Buck folder on the guy...
'Rock, paper, scissor's' I guess...
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When in doubt, run!
I wouldn't want to be the guy that took his knife to a gunfight.
I wouldn't want to be the guy that took his knife to a gunfight.
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Here are some GRAPHIC PICTURES of what can be done in a fight.. http://www.warriorcentral.com/notagame.html ...........R
Well, to go against the flow here, I am going to say that the knife is a very effective weapon, very reliable and effective, and not a *bad* choice.
If you cannot carry a gun (no CCW in your area, or other strict gun laws, or under the age of 21, so no handguns), a knife is a very possible choice.
As part of the force continuum, or as a pistol rention tool, the knife is valuable. If the scum bag is getting his hand on your gun before you get it drawn, if I were you, I'd want to peel his arm down to th ebone from about his elbow to his wrist. If you end up rolling around on the ground with the little crack head ****er, and cant get out your gun, and couldnt use it anyway because you are at contact range, a knife will be your best friend, especially as you make a bunch of holes in his kidneys and throat.
Dont give up on the knife.
Can be taken away from you and used against you? Only if you let it go. The only part of a knife to grab ahold of, when its iny our hand, is the blade, and grabbing a sharp knife-blade is a sure way to lose fingers. Someone with even a little training is DAMN hard to disarm... I dont think a crack head could do it.
Dont give them the chance to take it away from you... if the knife is out,y ou should be busy killing the skel, not dancing with him giving him the chance to disarm you.
Yes, knife fighting is close, and bloody. And yes you need to train to be able to do it.
But you need to train to be able to drive. Driving keeps you in practice, but since we dont fight all the time, we train at hom, and spar with one another to fight well.
You need to train for most jobs, and your job keeps you in practice of what you do, so it slike training too.
We need to train to learn to use the crapper.
If we carry a gun, we need to train with it. If we do un-armed, we need to train for that.
Speaking of un-armed... and the comment made that it was better than a knife.
Okay, lemmie 'splain something here. Un-armed is good, impact (non-lethal) weapons is better. Un-armed is a good thing, its the foundation the rest is built on. And un-armed is a good non-lethal thing, as are non-lethal impact weapons. The weapons are an equalizer, it makes you equal, if not superior to your opponent, and a non-lethal impact weapon is a good thing, because its not lethal.
BUT, wake up!!! a great deal of todays street violence is LETHAL, lethal force is USED, criminals dont attack to wound anymore, they attack to kill and not leave witnesses. When that happens, you have to be ready, and armed, to do the same thing. Saying "it will neve rhappen, I can deal with any type of attack without needing to kill" or "I can kill with my hands", is simply lying, lying to yourself.
A knife, a gun, a board with a nail through it. Odds are, if youa re attacked, you'll need it.
Hope you dont, pray you dont... but, eh, reality is a major bitch.
With a little training, and a few hours practice at home, YOU can be the one that walks away, and the other guy is the one who will look like those pictures BlackEye4You linked to.
This P.C. attitude about using a knife on another human being is getting really annoying. I am starting to here, from tried and true knife people, stuff that reminds me of the liberal leftists anti-gun rhetoric we are all too familiar with. "It'll get taken away and used against you" etc. etc. etc. Or, similar rhetoric as is heard fromt hose gun owners who only use their guns to hunt and say things like "we dont need assualt weapons, or defensive weapons, tarnishing gun owners, yes lets ban such things." Seriously folks, this is a dangerous attitude about knives.
Knives are wonderful tools, for work, for play, for pleasure if you are a collector. Knives are great pieaces of art. I take great pleasure in a fine knife, and the angles, and precision, and the materials, and how it all fits togather, the engineering of the piece, they are marvelous, and we take them a little for granted I fear.
But they are also supremely effecient killing tools. No, not gun effecient, but they are very effecient. Dont forget that. Everyone who is intereste din their own safety, should carry a defensive knife, and have at least some defensive training.
If you cannot carry a gun (no CCW in your area, or other strict gun laws, or under the age of 21, so no handguns), a knife is a very possible choice.
As part of the force continuum, or as a pistol rention tool, the knife is valuable. If the scum bag is getting his hand on your gun before you get it drawn, if I were you, I'd want to peel his arm down to th ebone from about his elbow to his wrist. If you end up rolling around on the ground with the little crack head ****er, and cant get out your gun, and couldnt use it anyway because you are at contact range, a knife will be your best friend, especially as you make a bunch of holes in his kidneys and throat.
Dont give up on the knife.
Can be taken away from you and used against you? Only if you let it go. The only part of a knife to grab ahold of, when its iny our hand, is the blade, and grabbing a sharp knife-blade is a sure way to lose fingers. Someone with even a little training is DAMN hard to disarm... I dont think a crack head could do it.
Dont give them the chance to take it away from you... if the knife is out,y ou should be busy killing the skel, not dancing with him giving him the chance to disarm you.
Yes, knife fighting is close, and bloody. And yes you need to train to be able to do it.
But you need to train to be able to drive. Driving keeps you in practice, but since we dont fight all the time, we train at hom, and spar with one another to fight well.
You need to train for most jobs, and your job keeps you in practice of what you do, so it slike training too.
We need to train to learn to use the crapper.
If we carry a gun, we need to train with it. If we do un-armed, we need to train for that.
Speaking of un-armed... and the comment made that it was better than a knife.
Okay, lemmie 'splain something here. Un-armed is good, impact (non-lethal) weapons is better. Un-armed is a good thing, its the foundation the rest is built on. And un-armed is a good non-lethal thing, as are non-lethal impact weapons. The weapons are an equalizer, it makes you equal, if not superior to your opponent, and a non-lethal impact weapon is a good thing, because its not lethal.
BUT, wake up!!! a great deal of todays street violence is LETHAL, lethal force is USED, criminals dont attack to wound anymore, they attack to kill and not leave witnesses. When that happens, you have to be ready, and armed, to do the same thing. Saying "it will neve rhappen, I can deal with any type of attack without needing to kill" or "I can kill with my hands", is simply lying, lying to yourself.
A knife, a gun, a board with a nail through it. Odds are, if youa re attacked, you'll need it.
Hope you dont, pray you dont... but, eh, reality is a major bitch.
With a little training, and a few hours practice at home, YOU can be the one that walks away, and the other guy is the one who will look like those pictures BlackEye4You linked to.
This P.C. attitude about using a knife on another human being is getting really annoying. I am starting to here, from tried and true knife people, stuff that reminds me of the liberal leftists anti-gun rhetoric we are all too familiar with. "It'll get taken away and used against you" etc. etc. etc. Or, similar rhetoric as is heard fromt hose gun owners who only use their guns to hunt and say things like "we dont need assualt weapons, or defensive weapons, tarnishing gun owners, yes lets ban such things." Seriously folks, this is a dangerous attitude about knives.
Knives are wonderful tools, for work, for play, for pleasure if you are a collector. Knives are great pieaces of art. I take great pleasure in a fine knife, and the angles, and precision, and the materials, and how it all fits togather, the engineering of the piece, they are marvelous, and we take them a little for granted I fear.
But they are also supremely effecient killing tools. No, not gun effecient, but they are very effecient. Dont forget that. Everyone who is intereste din their own safety, should carry a defensive knife, and have at least some defensive training.
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Oh Man! You woke my ass up. Im carry a gun for now on.
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True.
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Sorry, guys, I also have to go with the 'knife as lousy weapon' crowd.
Here in Wisconsin, we do not have CCW permits. But you can still carry a gun in a 'case.' I chose a daily planner with a spare magazine.
Let me tell you, the stuff you hear about 'crooks are stupid' is very true. Every single one of them cases the area so obviously even guys in 'condition white' should know what's going on.
The fastest draw is a gun already in hand. If/when a derelict starts his 21 foot charge, he will know what the term 'Mozambique' means. If the wife is along, he will rapidly know the term 'crossfire,' as well.
Having said that, I don't think knife-on-knife fights ever happen. I grew up near Villard and Florist Avenue as a boy in the 1950's. If ever there was a area right out of "West Side Story," that was it. I never saw a knife fight. My friends who are cops have never seen one. I carried a stilleto throughout high school, never used it, never pulled it; neither did any of my friends.
I think derelicts attack from the rear with knives. We just had one in Madison about two weeks ago. People have got to learn about knowing their environment.
Here in Wisconsin, we do not have CCW permits. But you can still carry a gun in a 'case.' I chose a daily planner with a spare magazine.
Let me tell you, the stuff you hear about 'crooks are stupid' is very true. Every single one of them cases the area so obviously even guys in 'condition white' should know what's going on.
The fastest draw is a gun already in hand. If/when a derelict starts his 21 foot charge, he will know what the term 'Mozambique' means. If the wife is along, he will rapidly know the term 'crossfire,' as well.
Having said that, I don't think knife-on-knife fights ever happen. I grew up near Villard and Florist Avenue as a boy in the 1950's. If ever there was a area right out of "West Side Story," that was it. I never saw a knife fight. My friends who are cops have never seen one. I carried a stilleto throughout high school, never used it, never pulled it; neither did any of my friends.
I think derelicts attack from the rear with knives. We just had one in Madison about two weeks ago. People have got to learn about knowing their environment.
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Ed,
I once made the mistake of looking over some "graphic" pictures of folks who'd been shot rather seriously in self defense... we're talking like .30-30 to the head shot, in full color.
I said "I'm a tough guy... I can handle it", after about a page I stopped looking and have done my best to get those pictures out of my mind.
The only time you need to see that stuff is when you have absolutely no choice, otherwise, it helps NOTHING.
I once made the mistake of looking over some "graphic" pictures of folks who'd been shot rather seriously in self defense... we're talking like .30-30 to the head shot, in full color.
I said "I'm a tough guy... I can handle it", after about a page I stopped looking and have done my best to get those pictures out of my mind.
The only time you need to see that stuff is when you have absolutely no choice, otherwise, it helps NOTHING.
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Those pictures have been posted all over the Net and I would have to say this is the first time I heard that they serve no purpose.The second row on the far right that is a picture from a sequence of pictures where that guy with the staples in his arm had the knife and it was taken from him.He was covered with huge gaping wounds now with staples in them because he survived after his knife was taken from him and he was cut up like that by his father who he was attacking.The others are good examples of just what can happen.The next time you slip your knife into your pocket and think that this is for self defense think about the pictures.Odds are if you carry a knife long enough thinking you are going to use it for self defense you will happen on just that chance as opposed to not pulling it in a robbery or a situation that you could just give up what they want.It happens everyday to people that dont pull a knife while being robbed and they just get robbed. Now all that said I carry two knives allways one small and sheeple friendly that I can let some one else use if need be. And a larger folder just for me.I dont use it much and the reason is to keep it sharp if I get into a circumstance that my life is going to be in great threat or danger of losing my life or my loved ones I will use it.But before I do pull a knife for self defense I will have exhausted every avenue I could.Like just letting the BG have my wallet as my cash isnt in it.Or lettiing him have my wife's or my jewelry or my car.All those things arent worth pulling a knife and either having to do what you see in those pictures or having it done to me.Those pictures serve a good purpose if it helps keep one person from making a hasty decision that he probably could have lived through had he not pulled a knife.Next time you slip your knife in your pocket think about the pictures.You would be better off with a cane or a walking stick. This is just my opinion but a knife isnt and shouldnt be anything but a last resort..............R (by the way those pictures are nice and clean.I have had the chance to see the scene of a knife fight and it isnt pretty.It is messy and bloody and it is everywhere and all over everybody and everything around.I got to see a good friend laying dead in a mess like that and it is a picture that will never go away.The guy that did the deed was another friend and he is going to be ancient when he gets out if he makes it.The moral to that is drunks and knives dont mix.
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Really? Tell that to your ancestors. Humans have used knives as primary weapons for thousands of years.