Anyone ever use there knife against another person?

Originally posted by Prof. Ed
Why did I follow the link to those pictures? "Crossing Jordan" never shows that. A knife makes you "feel" more secure. Running away might make you feel better!
Prof. Ed
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There is much wisdom in what you have said here except where the knife makes you feel more secure.You cant run from a bullet but you can from a knife. (this is where someone will say what if he is a knifethrower).................R
 
blackeye,

I don't need pictures to remind me that using a knife against someone is a last resort... and I think alot of others don't either...
 
I've said this before on these forums; the only time I'll use a knife for self defense is when I'm ABSOLUTELY sure my life or a loved one's life is in mortal danger. This statement oly applies to human beings, not aggressive dogs, cougars, bears, coyotes,weasels, skunks, aardvarks,wombats,gnus, wildebeasts, duckbilled platypuses or the little blue guys that wander around my house at night. Oh, I shouldn't have told you that...;)
 
Originally posted by YoungCutter
blackeye,

I don't need pictures to remind me that using a knife against someone is a last resort... and I think alot of others don't either...
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Then let them make up their mind.I did that is how i came to this decision.They dont have to look and they can make up their minds.Or do you feel you speak for others.You dont speak or think for me.I speak for me and wouldnt begain to want to speak for a bunch of people I have a keyboard relationship with.Like I said when someone else posted them and I first saw them they made me think.Just maybe someone else will or some younster that has no idea what a knife can do to the human body will take a look and think twice.Just because you dont need pictures to remind yourself that using a knife against someone is a last resort doesnt mean everybody does or this topic wouldnt come up so much.Their are what 15,000 people that use this board and I bet they dont all think like you.Then again we could all just hide from reality and pretend we be bad and we gonna kick ass with our blades.......R
 
Knifedaddy84,

I assume by your tone that you thought I meant that as an insult to your hobby. This is not true.

I'm a gun guy; ever hear of a zinc framed automatic pistol called a 'Raven'? Not a bad pistol for the money. Most guys say that they never have a stoppage and that they are a good value for 50 bucks.

If I have an option, I'm not going to carry a .25 ACP as a primary weapon. There are lots of anecdotal stories of guys taking a full clip and just walking off. The felon could have just as easily kept attacking, seriously injuring the good guy.

Yes, at one time a flint knife separated the victors from the also-rans. I carry the best jackknife I can afford, and proudly.

But against aggressors, I'd just as soon pick up a chair, a pool cue or a pot of scalding hot coffee. My purpose is to stop the aggressor and get away. I'm not your Vadalia sandbar kind of guy.
 
Originally posted by Ichabod Poser
But against aggressors, I'd just as soon pick up a chair, a pool cue or a pot of scalding hot coffee. My purpose is to stop the aggressor and get away. I'm not your Vadalia sandbar kind of guy.
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I agree, and think the question of whether one would use a knife for defense is really moot, because if in a situation fighting for one's life, I'd bet instinctively anything would become an option.
 
>"Humans have used knives as primary weapons for thousands of years."

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Not being an expert on (or even interested in) the history of combat, I'm not at all qualified to get into this debate. But it seems a lot more likely that humans have used SWORDS as primary weapons (clearly they're both edged weapons, I think there's a distinction between the two).

I'd reckon that, in defense terms, knives have been most often used to MAKE a spear/club/mace/bow or other large weapon. I.E. as a tool to make a weapon, but not in most cases as a primary weapon.

Just food for thought.
 
If you have your $70 million M1 Abrams or your $.10 bic pin, the weapon is only as good as the person behind it. If it is used for good or evil, masterful speech or smut...it all depends on the person.

Do your best with what you have. When the time comes it will be all you've got.
 
Originally posted by mnblade
>"Humans have used knives as primary weapons for thousands of years."

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Not being an expert on (or even interested in) the history of combat, I'm not at all qualified to get into this debate. But it seems a lot more likely that humans have used SWORDS as primary weapons (clearly they're both edged weapons, I think there's a distinction between the two).

I'd reckon that, in defense terms, knives have been most often used to MAKE a spear/club/mace/bow or other large weapon. I.E. as a tool to make a weapon, but not in most cases as a primary weapon.

Just food for thought.
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Before the advent of metallurgy, cutting tools had to be small... stone makes a great knife, but not sword, it is brittle.
Swords are metal weapons, and yes when carried and where carried I am sure they were, as they are today, preferable to a knife.
But this modern age isnt the first time weapons have been banned, sowrds were banned in many other places, at many other times. Royals and those well to do were also often the only ones who could really afford swords.
A peasant or poor man may very well have only had a simple knife with which he did many tasks, and one of them could have been to kill someone in defense or just anger. A small dagger or knife is a more convenient weapon for a criminal anyway.
The way I look at it is that if there were means to count the actual numbers, knives would rule out, as weapons of opportunity/convenience I think they would be more plentiful that swords, and that would win such "contest". I could be wrong.

Either way let me re-phrase:
Humans have used knives for thousands of years (arguably the knife [cutting tool] is the second tool of man, the hammer [impact tool] being the first.), and I do believe the knife would be one of the more commonly found weapons.
 
I'm a big advocate of pepper spray for self protection (and I can carry a gun legally)...legal in most states, very effective, and easy to carry...yet so many of my friends don't feel it necessary...head in the sand sort of thing..anyway, "freeze +p" is very effective..it contains CS with the pepper for maximum effectiveness.....at around 10 bucks a can, it is cheap peace of mind....and you can still carry the knife...
 
I'm going to assume most of you haven't been in a real "Knife fight". Let me say this, one slash (lets say a quick slash to the face) even if it is not mortal can incapicate you leaving you open for a fatal wound. Not to mention when slashing the face it can also blind you, cut off a nerve leading to no feeling in half (or your whole) face. Even just the pain of a slash to the face can also lead to shock, oral injuries, temporary breathing problems and many other wonderful things.

A knife (or sword) is probably the most lethal weapon if it is known how to be used proprely. A Spyderco Ladybug in the right hands is more lethal then a 9" Stilleto in the right hands.
If you have no expeirence or training with or with out a knife its better to leave your knife at home before you hit the town that night, your knife is more likely to slit your throut if you carry it for self-defence and you don't know what the hell your doing. Some expert criminals don't even carry weapons unless they know the next crime is going to invovle them.

Most punks (unless there starting out) don't carry a knife as a primary non-firearm weapon. Usually its something legit, lets say there still in high school. They would just carry a Bic lighter which can add 40lbs. per Sq. inch to your punch.

I have had my shin slashed when I was escaping a mugging by a gang of 3. In all honesty it is much more painful then you think. Keeping in mind the blade had to go thru my jeans. The most effective weapon for self-defence is a Gun. Most 9mm and 45's are too big for comfortable EDC self-defence tool (with the expection of the Baby Glocks), ones that are small enough are innaccurate or Cal. is ineffective. or are illegal to carry. Mace is illegal or restircted to Bear mace which is to big to carry because of size restrictions), Normal pepper spray is just for Dog repllent and ineffective formulas. Stun guns or Tasers are illegal, ASP batons are too big. (My area) So a Tatical folder is a natural choice (since you use it for utilty purposes as well).

For the record, I DON'T carry a knife for defense. I would use it if I had no other choice (but I doubt I would have too).
 
Originally posted by Icutmyself
I'm a big advocate of pepper spray for self protection (and I can carry a gun legally)...legal in most states, very effective, and easy to carry...yet so many of my friends don't feel it necessary...head in the sand sort of thing..anyway, "freeze +p" is very effective..it contains CS with the pepper for maximum effectiveness.....at around 10 bucks a can, it is cheap peace of mind....and you can still carry the knife...
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Pepper spray has been proven time and time again to only be effective on SOME people.
Pepper spray is great as "eye jab in a can", hit the eyes, and while they are distracted, chin jab them, do something to them to take them off balance, drive them to the floor, and boot them until they quit moving.
Or stab them, or shoot them, after you pepper spray them.

If you depend on pepper spray to do otherwise, there are good odds that when you need it, it will fail you and not be effective against you attacker and then, whoopsie, he's on youw ith a blade in your guts before you have time to draw your gun. (That pesky ol' 21 foot rule. You might not belive in the 21 foor rule, but you should believe in the 5 to 1 foot rule, heh.)
 
"Normal pepper spray is just for Dog repllent and ineffective formulas"...hmmm, I've seen it work dozens of times on very determined people...nothing is fool proof but a good shot to the face will deter most mortals not on PCP or some uberdrug....funny thing, when you carry a gun you like to have another option on the escalation scale....
 
Originally posted by Icutmyself
"Normal pepper spray is just for Dog repllent and ineffective formulas"...hmmm, I've seen it work dozens of times on very determined people...nothing is fool proof but a good shot to the face will deter most mortals not on PCP or some uberdrug....funny thing, when you carry a gun you like to have another option on the escalation scale....
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Yes, when you carry a gun (or a knife) you need to have other tools in the force continuum.
But sprays are not my first choice. I have seen regular folks, like you and I, who havent even had Coffee that day (much less PCP) get sprayed right in the face, and keep on coming. Some of them knew how to take it (close eyes, hold breath, keep mouth shut), and others took it full blast and it didnt do enough to stop them.
Murphy is a son of a bitch... and in my experiance, if its going to go to hell, Murphy is most likely gonna be the driver, so I dont count on anything... especially not something I have seen fail, and have heard numerous accounts of failures about.
Also, a lot of attackers who have attacke dpeople before, experianced muggers or experianced rapists, know how to take a blast of pepper spray and what to do to keep from being affected by it.
Its just not something I trust to do anything more than temporarily blind and give me a half second of advantage.


Pepper spray, is, IMO, about one step above a Stun Gun.
 
Originally posted by J-man_the_jet
A Spyderco Ladybug in the right hands is more lethal then a 9" Stilleto in the right hands.
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I'm going to assume this is a mistype, and you meant to say a 9" Stilleto in the wrong hands. If I'm wrong, and you meant what you said, please enlighten me as to how the ladybug would be more leathal if both knives were in the "right" hands.
Most 9mm and 45's are too big for comfortable EDC self-defence tool (with the expection of the Baby Glocks), ones that are small enough are innaccurate or Cal. is ineffective.
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Both the baby Glocks and the Kahrs .40 cal are very easily carried and concealed (I've been carrying a compact, not baby, Glock 23 .40cal for several years with no problems. As far as the accuracy you mentioned, they both have great accuracy in the 25-50 yard range, and in the right hands, even farther. Anyway, why is accuracy a big concern in a self defense situation? Most confrontations where firearms are used happen in a distance of less than 15 feet. I have yet to shoot a handgun that couldn't consistently hit a paper plate at those distances.

Mike
 
Medic, OPPS! I ment a 9" stilleto in the wrong hands.

I said with the expection of the Baby Glocks, most compact pocket pistols have small cal. and don't have very good accuracy, but the Baby Glocks are an expection to the un-written rule.
 
a friend of mine, let's call him "A", once pulled a knife in "self-defense" when another friend, "B", pulled a knife on him in a drug-induced gag of some sort. Friend A dropped into a crouch, switched his blade from right to left hand, hooked his blade under the guard of B's knife and disarmed B. Also took a chunk of finger with it. Game over. A had little training but acted quickly and without thought. It is unclear what B was really thinking, but B was not too smart in general. Not ecactly a true self-defense scenario, since they knew each other on friendly terms. But it showed me that if you act decisively, a knife is very very effective. And if you act indecisively, it's not effective at all.
 
those pictures can seriously screw your mind up. but you do get used to them

personally id prefer to not use a knife unless it was against a dog or similar animal. just the messiness and possible disease threat, plus it doesnt seem right poking a knife into someones belly. id rather just hit them

ive used a knife against myself though. accidentally stabbed myself in the arm when i took a swing at a treebranch. not to mention the numerous cuts you get when testing sharpness !

Daniel
 
I've injured myself far too many times. Blood doesn't really bother me anyways.

I cut into the joint of my left index last wednesday at work...

I've stabbed myself in the thigh(last week in fact) at work and spent 20min immendiately getting it stopped. bled for about an hour or so b/f clotting 100%(or close enough). I've also stabbed my hands and arms numerous times.

I cut my thumb open at work just over a year ago. Working on an air vent that was coming loose from the ceiling. Your thumb looks like hamburger meat inside... I was quite deep with that one.

I cut EACH fingertip at least 2-3 times during a 2yr shot of building models... 26models in 22months.

I had my index finger (right hand, thumb side of finger) cut in a stupid accident with a friend.

Why do I keep playing with and using knives? Because I love knives. These are the only big ones in 14yrs of collecting and using.
 
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