Anyone familiar with Herb Derr's work?

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I just got back from the NYCKS, had a great time, couldn't buy, (don't ask). I chatted around, I must have looked at everything, 4-5 times, and many times was I tempted. The guy that almost made me break a promise was someone I never heard of, Herb Derr, of St Albans WV. I couldn't believe this guys work, and his prices were amazing. I'll admit I don't know that much about Custom knives, but beautiful Damascus, stag handle hunters for under $300, and to me , really well made, blew my mind.
He doesn't have a web site, no catalog, every piece is one of a kind, says he sells just mainly at about 12 shows a year.

Someone please tell me, what am I missing here? Are his knives not as good as I think? I'll be honest I can't think of a comparable value, can you?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

PhilL
 
PhilL,
Herb Derr is one heck of a nice guy. He does make beautiful knives with some great looking nickle damasscus.
I don't think it would be a bad decision if you bought one of his knives. Herb does really good work.



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If a man can keep alert and imaginative, an error is a possibility, a chance at something new; to him, wandering and wondering are a part of the same process. He is most mistaken, most in error, whenever he quits exploring.

William Least Heat Moon
 
P.J.
Thanks for the reply. Can you think of anybody that's comparable in quality and price, in that style? I'm looking for my first handmade, I'm a sucker for Stag, Damascus was something I thought would be out of my price range, and I like the traditional look. I'm still in my fact finding stage, and can use all the info. I can get. I know what I like, I'm just trying to figure how it stacks up.
 
The only thing I can tell you is that Herb's knives are very affordable and a similar piece from other makers more well known might cost 2 or 3 times what he charges.
Herb's knives would make a great first edition to a collection.


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If a man can keep alert and imaginative, an error is a possibility, a chance at something new; to him, wandering and wondering are a part of the same process. He is most mistaken, most in error, whenever he quits exploring.

William Least Heat Moon
 
Thanks again P.J. That's what I figured, it's good to get someone else's opinion, especially from someone like yourself that knows what a quality knife is. I'm starting to understand a bit, putting names with styles, and quality of workmanship. At this point, when there's so many styles of knives that I would like to have at least one of, collecting names isn't a priority. I'd much rather buy before they get too rich for my blood.
 
PhilL,
You seem to be headed in a good direction. Doing a little research and gaining a little knowledge helps in making a decision.
In my opinion it is better to collect what you like rather than someones name.

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If a man can keep alert and imaginative, an error is a possibility, a chance at something new; to him, wandering and wondering are a part of the same process. He is most mistaken, most in error, whenever he quits exploring.

William Least Heat Moon
 
PhilL,
Although this is my first post on this forum and I have yet to establish any credibility, I thought I might as well start out by telling you what little I know about Herb Derr. I met him two years ago at my first knife show, the annual Chesapeake show in Timonium, MD. I agree with Philip Jones, Mr. Derr is a very nice guy (of course, I have that impression about almost all of the custom makers I have met). I was particularly impressed with Mr. Derr's work because he makes primarily forged fixed blade knives with traditional styling and seemed to be charging MUCH less than other makers with comparable work. I spent most of the day at my first show just gawking and asking a whole bunch of ignorant questions of every maker I met. Nobody seemed to mind. A purveyor at that show told me to spend $1000 on one knife from a well-known maker. He said "that way, you know that the value of your knife won't go down". Since I was on a very limited budget, and I don't like knives that are so expensive I wouldn't dare use them, and I wanted to buy something, I went back to Herb's table. Of course, the knives that had caught my eye earlier had all been sold. I ended up picking up a small 3" blade forged from deep blued L6 saw steel with a wood handle, three black and two white spacers and a brass guard. I paid only $65 for that knife and Herb also gave me a deer antler whistle he had made. My son really likes that whistle.
At the show last year, I made directly for Mr. Derr's table and picked up an absolutely gorgeous san mai blade with brown and black mosaic damascus on the outsides of the blade with a tool steel core forming the edge. Copper was fluxed in between the metals in the composite billet in order to bring out the contrast. It has a nickel silver guard, walnut burl spacer, and a hippopotamus tooth handle. It is totally stunning. I paid $265 for this knife. His knives are very sensual and appeal to my sense of artistry, mindful design, and value. Both of the knives I have, and all the others I picked up on his table were perfectly balanced. While I was talking to Herb, several other makers stopped by to say hello to him. I noticed he was being gently chastised in good humor for not charging enough for his work. We talked a little about that. He explained that he is just starting out as a maker and is trying to sell as many blades as he can in order to build his reputation. He also seems to want people to actually use his knives, not put them away in a display case waiting for resale. Les Robertson has pointed out in these forums what he feels is a disturbing tendency for some new makers to value their work as highly as long time makers with established credentials. Mr. Derr is not making that mistake. He prices his work very fairly. He is experimenting with some interesting forging techniques, and I think is definitely a maker to watch. When you consider everything that goes into the making of his knives, I think they are an absolute steal. You can be sure that his will be the first table I visit at the Chesapeake show in December.
I have purchased several custom knives in the last couple of years from well known makers (e.g. Daniel Winkler, Roger Green, and Jim Crowell). Mr. Derr's work ranks right up there. My motto for knife shows and collecting is "Buy only what you like". Decide before you go what your budget is and stick to it or you'll be tempted to spend your mortgage money. Try to decide what type of knife you are most interested in before you hit the show room floor. And if you pick up something you really like and it's in your budget, buy it on the spot or it will probably go home with someone else. I've had that happen a few of times. Definitely buy something. You'll be happy you did.


[This message has been edited by Paracelsus (edited 06 November 1999).]
 
Well put Peracelsus.

PhilL,
If Peracelsus likes Winkler, Green, Crowell, and chooses to buy a knife from Herb then that should make the decision for you to go ahead and buy one. Obviously Percelsus has good taste in blades.

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If a man can keep alert and imaginative, an error is a possibility, a chance at something new; to him, wandering and wondering are a part of the same process. He is most mistaken, most in error, whenever he quits exploring.

William Least Heat Moon
 
P.J. and Paracelsus.
Thanks for the feedback, it's good to know that I'm not off track, with my untrained eye. Beleive me I would have bought from Herb on the spot, if I could have. I plan to order from Herb before I see him at next years show, he goes right to the top of my list. Herb is one nice guy, he knew I was having a real problem walking away from his table, he knew I would be thinking about his knives, until I get to own one. All in good time!

PhilL
 
P.J.
I just saw a very pretty stag drop point hunter, at your new website. Last time I was there you didn't have the prices up yet, and now you do. Is that a flat ground? Nice knife, great price! Oh! all the temptations, problem is all of you great makers, can make them faster than I can make the money. The first lesson I learned was you can't buy them all, I'll just have to do the best I can.

PhilL
 
PhilL,
Thanks for the compliments.
All of our knives are flat ground except for our very first one which is pictured on that page. We are not good hollow grinders.

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If a man can keep alert and imaginative, an error is a possibility, a chance at something new; to him, wandering and wondering are a part of the same process. He is most mistaken, most in error, whenever he quits exploring.

William Least Heat Moon
 
Thanks Phil. I hope you get that first custom soon. Herb Derr is a great start. Lots of mastersmiths and other fine makers make plain tool steel knives priced between $300 to $500. I really learn a lot reading Blade and Knife World. Larry Connelly's www.knifeart.com is a great resource for forged fixed blade knives. Also look at www.arizonacustomknives.com And check out Wayne Hendrix. Also have a look at www.bladegallery.com. Nordic knives at www.nordicknives.com carries some really fine work, but it is very expensive for the most part and the web site needs a better picture format. I've been reading about custom knives and knifemaking for six years. I just got started collecting a couple of years ago but I'm completely addicted now. I only collect forged fixed blades, mostly hunters and boots so far, Bowies are still a bit out of reach financially. Because a fixed blade is the simplest kind of knife to make, I think they are a great starting place for knife collecting, since you won't spend nearly as much for high quality work as you can with custom folders. Paracelsus

[This message has been edited by Paracelsus (edited 07 November 1999).]
 
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