Anyone got any info on EASY kuk fighting technique?

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I can find anything but links to martial arts websites and adverts.

I have a nice Kuk, now I want to know how to use it effectively.

BTW I am a Soldier, not some gunshow wannabee Speshul Forces warrior type.

I am looking for:

Quiet Dispatch IE Sentry
Counter an advancing attacker
Disable attacker
Attacking from a low angle.


What ever you got.
 
escrima.

any technique that uses a stick in escrima can use a khukuri, but you need to get strong enough to get it to move fast

if its something like a kobra, you'll find that it works really well. i would suggest looking into training with vincent in stockton, but if you do go with another dojo, be careful of things that seem to put you in danger, becuase its possible that they are. the style is different in pretty much every dojo you go to, so you should try to get to the dojo in stockton if you can.


a lot of that style is limb takedowns, and body control. you'll learn to deconstruct the parts of the body that are attacking you, and if you go to the core (CORE) style, as it was initially formed, you'll find that its a very fast way to get a guy down. the line that i recall from angel cabales was "it should never take more then 3 strikes to kil your opponent". while thats a little more difficult with a stick, when using amachet or a lighter khukuri, it certainly reins true.

vincent is likely one of the few people who will be able to teach you the style as it was originally intended.


as my own personal disclaimer - that isnt to say that the other teachers teach a system that is not usable, simply that most do not teach it as it originally was (putting their own enphasis on it), and many do not take the style as a blade dedicated system, for lots of reasons.
 
Sounds interesting but I live to far from stockton.

From core strikes I imagine strikes to the sides of neck and across the belly below the ribs.

limb strikes... chop em off I assume. Oppenent dead in 2 mins from blood loss.
 
well... you'll make it so he cant hold his weapon, or throw a punch/grab you anymore with that specfic limb...

my brother is the one currently enrolled, so much of what i know is through him.

if a guy's got a rifle, 2 minutes is a really, really long time to be in a room with him. if the guys biceps/triceps/forearms/carpels/elbows/wrists arent intact anymore, its not quite as bad. and if he's able to tie the limb off with a rag, a belt, some string, he could last quite a bit longer then that.

obviously if your only intent is to get him dead, theres a lot of ways, but whats going to hurt you first is sometimes more important then that specific end goal


lol.... and theres always the bear story :D
 
for what its worth i think this thread is more appropriate for the training section. though it does concern khukuries, its not really himalayan imports specific, nor about the khukuri itself...

i could be wrong
 
I read an article about the man that started the Bando association. The article said the organization and its founder were completely bogus.

I don't know one way or the other, but just wanted say do a lot of digging before deciding to go this route.

Let us know what you find out.
 
Terry Newton said:
I read an article about the man that started the Bando association. The article said the organization and its founder were completely bogus.

I don't know one way or the other, but just wanted say do a lot of digging before deciding to go this route.

Let us know what you find out.


wich is why i say to go directly to vincent cabales.... i dont think i would trust anyone else to teach it to me...
 
Azsoldier,
I second the Escrima suggestion...Mean stuff with a stick and total destruction with a Khuk...

I also second the strength suggestion...Get strong so you can swing it quick..

While I much prefer smaller blades for the messy stuff, I also have come up with a style of fighting with larger knives that works for me...BTW...all of the below is serious...I just like writing in a blunt funny way

I cannot NAME the style but it does have a name...:D

Scenario...armed invader in hallway

Armaments....15" Ang Khola

Step one...Scream inchoherently at the invader

Step two...scream for dog to 'sic em!!!

Step three...Scream some more at attacker

Step four...scream at dog for NOT attacking or to root the dog on when it IS tearing chunks out of his face

Step five...as attacker advances TRY and retreat WHILE screaming

Step six...Draw khuk and assume the Darth Vader position...It looks remarkably like someone getting ready to hit a baseball

Step se7en...Swing Khuk at face REALLY hard

Step Eight....Slash the arms and the front of the gut and legs...He should be a bit "messy" at this time if you are doing this right

Repeat step se7en, eight and step three as needed until the fight is over

Call police and lawyer...

2 minutes for them to die of bloodloss is around 119 seconds to long if they are still even remotely mobile...Ya gotta speed up the process somewhat if ya want him to be as placid as a newborn puppy, hence the stomach and legs thing

Remember...If the attacker's head isnt seperated from his body by at least 6 inches he is a threat...

You will notice the total simplicity of the above "system" of fighting...No real stances and no arm locks or joint crushing moves...just mindless beautiful violence...Works for me!

OHH and one thing....You can pretty much forget killing a sentry with a blade unless you are VERY well trained or very lucky...Most times this is done with a suppressed pistol or sub-gun for a reason...Yup it is difficult to put someone down without noise with a knife...errr for me it would be anyway:confused:
 
Something I was thinking of to use natural forces and more muscles( Back and chest) would be blade in right hand. Swing from above left shoulder and down crossways to outside of right hip. Bisecting the neck and any limbs in the way.

Then bring the blade up and straight across the neck or side of head from right to left. This brings you back to start with a twist of the wrist to orient the blade into cutting position. Keep your left arm out of the way and out for balance i think.
 
"My khukuri self defense consisted of a strong offense of only three moves -- a head strike, gut strike, or leg strike. I always looked into the eyes of the opponent because they seemed to tell me what he was going to do -- perhaps lucky for me he always ran away. And, I conditioned my thinking to make myself to be willing to trade up -- I would trade a finger for a hand, a hand for an arm, and, of course, an arm for a head."
 
By the numbers
1 = from over left shoulder down and across

2=up and flip blade wasted move!! While down flip the blade bring right to left across gut

3=up to shoulder and flip blade


or just hack hack hack at the neck and anything else in the way with the right.
 
Azsoldier said:
Good ole 1 =down and across 2=up and flip blade 3=across and flip blade


or just hack hack hack at the neck and anything else in the way with the right.


yuppers that pretty much covers it...My way of thinking is simple...Technique and style go right out the window when the adrenalin goes to pumping so why not work with it ya know?? Just hack and hack and slash until he stops screaming or stops moving...

Since I was actually "taught" this style here is the quick rundown

You can sing it like they do on the "Wiggles" if you wish

Head and Shoulders

Arms

Stomach

Legs...


All of the above should be cut to pieces when you are done...


Nice stuff to discuss huh??:D
 
I may need it some day tho.

I am strong and pretty quick with it already. I can make it hiss through the air, but I want it to whistle. :D The only complaint I got is the pommel spike thing is digging into my palm. I guess it will toughen up.


:jerkit:

I'll just do my lil routine until its muscle memory.
 
It will toughen up...you can also modify it by taking the very tip off without loss of control.

ps: As for being off topic, I assumed that he was taking about how to use an HI khukuri. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 
This thread's OK for HI forum.


I'm interested in learning about this too.
I know people can keep fighting with mortal wounds. It would be very difficult to carry on after being struck with an average sized khukuri anywhere on the body or limb. Some of the HI line is heavier than the historic khuks and will hit even harder.

I'm wondering how many people could respond after losing an arm or being split wide open in the chest or abdominal cavity?

I realize it would only take that one out of ten who does counter respond to ruin one's day.


munk
 
Imagine how many perps would still be willing to fight after finding a Guy named Leatherface standing in a hallway in the dark in his tighty whiteys screaming and swinging a kukri over his head!
 
Munk you raise a good point...Just one incedent would be enough to ruin your day..

My "system" handles the above mentioned problem by repeated and brutal attacks...Not a bit of style to be found anywhere

IOW...Hit them hard and often and there counterattack wont have time to happen...When all he can think of, is that 15" Ak coming at his face he just isnt gonna be able to counterattack very effectively..unless he has been conditioned to counterattack...

hmmm....


Natural responses..

Arms in front of trunk...Slash and bash the arms to get at the face and head and stomach

Fetal position while kicking...Slash and bash the legs until they are no threat

falls down trying to get away or tpo create space for a counterattack or to draw a weapon ...Spine and back of head are exposed for repeated attacks...


Conditioned responses would be slightly different...Of course if they are any good they prolly are gonna attack the second they see you...AND if they are truly a theif, then the chances of them walking in on ya are very slim...

Home invasions are done by Goblins and they deserve no quarter...:mad:
 
Azsoldier said:
Imagine how many perps would still be willing to fight after finding a Guy named Leatherface standing in a hallway in the dark in his tighty whiteys screaming and swinging a kukri over his head!


LMAOOO!!!!

Did I mention that I own a chainsaw AND that it stays inside with me in the closet AND that I am one of the very few people STUPID enough to practice the "saw" kata??

btw..
I wear boxers or thongs bro...:thumbup: :D
 
I'm not an expert, but I study and practise my own bastardized, integrated system. I'll throw what I can out here, and if it's useful, good. If not, oh well.

I use to grip my well-used 16.5" khuk with my pinky below the handle ring, and the other fingers above, but staying on the wood. Lately, I've started to let my index finger and hand-web up on to the brass a little. Just enough to free the hand up some. It feels free; that's the only way I can think to describe it. Again: this works for me personally, so always do what works for you.

That grip, combined with the handling qualities on my particular mid-weight khuk allow me to take advantage of the balance, and control it to my advantage. An example: If I hold the khuk in my right hand, well gripped but my arm hanging freely at my right side, I can raise my arm at the elbow and sort of whip my arm out, the khuk and hand turning in the air, aimed at the target's left side (say, shoulder/neck junction), and with a slight push of my shoulder and downward wrist motion, the 'sweet spot' area impacts with great force. It's easier done than said.

I think that type of stroke was described in another forumite's post about his Bando class. I'd been using that stroke with tomahawks, and later my khuk, so maybe I'm on to something. :D

Here it is: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400528

Anyway (and sorry for my long winded 'simple' explaination), onto my little technique.

My Stance: Khuk in right hand (if you're right handed) with the blade's spine almost pressed to your belt, held horizontally, left hand in a guard position, left leg forward, right leg rearward (incase you have to step back to dodge, you already have a footing, and you can step forward easily to close with the target...important with contact weapons, lol). It is a sort of twisted-feeling stance, but I'd rather think of it as 'springy', like a green hickory pole. Also, to anyone that tries this: Make the stance your own thing, and make it fluid. Words are inflexible, a body is pliable, and my vocabulary is only so big.

The khuk in this position looks like you're about to cut your target from left to right on the belly, but, it can do much more than that.

From this position, try a quick cut upward, stem to stern to chin along the breadline, then at the end of your swing turn the khuk around and crash the edge onto the target's head or shoulder or whatever with a good snap. It's very fast with practise.

You can also block or parry from the Stance position, with either the blade's edge or flat. Just experiment, I think the stance is a versatile starting point.

Now that I've got that out, I'll try to cover the specific points of Azsoldier's first post.

My best idea for a quick, quiet-ish sentry removal, would be either hard chop to the back of the neck, or a hard chop to the bare cranium with the edge or flat of the blade.

My attack on an advancing attacker would be to bring the khuk over to my left side like in the stance (because a stance would probably be a good way to die fast in this situation), and parry the attacker's weapon or weapon hand (say rifle-mounted bayonet, or hand-mounted knife; or at close range, knock the bastard's loaded rifle bore away from your body and press yourself up close so the target can't bring his weapon to bear, then maybe beat his head in with the khuk pommel), then follow up with appropriate action--kill stroke, whatever is needed. Also, if it would buy you a second by scaring/distracting/hurting your advancing target, throw the khuk at him and rush in with a smaller knife (like a Ka-Bar or Hissatsu; forgive me khuk-nuts...:eek: ).

My choice for disableing would be to strike low on the target's shin. I tend to crouch when in 'ready mode', so I guess this strike wouldn't be too difficult. Or if you have a 30" sirupati, lol. I might also choose a strike with the blade's flat to whatever extremity needs some whackin'.

And, I think I covered the low-angle attack just below the Stance area of my, article I guess.

Once again, sorry for the long wind. At least it isn't broken wind.

These are the things I've learned, and I've not tested any of this on anyone for legal and moral reasons, lol. ;) Take what is useful to you.

Also, I highly recomend testing strikes on tree trunks (dead ones, hitting live things is never nice). Sometimes my khuk 'bucks' on some hits, usually blade flat hits. Once I figured out what hits it doesn't like, no problem. I just think it would suck if a khuk 'bucked' at a critical "contact" moment.

Good luck, take care.
 
Something else, too:

I always get irritated with alot of combat techniques, or instruction, because there rarely seems to be any follow-up actions. That's probably because it depends on the situation, but even an arterial laceration can leave an attacker still attacking for a bit. I have no answer to this either, but I just wanted to say this to help anyone who trains for dangerous situations: The training might stop at the death blow, but the attacker might not!

Just my observation and two cents.

Take care.
 
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