Anyone have a Sebenza and a Hinderer XM-18

I've looked at almost every dealer listed on Hinderers webpage and almost no one has any in stock. Apparently you can't buy them from direct from the website unless you are a first responder, so that is not going to do much for me. I really can't stomach the idea of Hinderer selling them for $350ish then the secondary market charging upwards of $1000.
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Look on Bladeforums and you can find much better deals then that. Yes, the XM-24s can run up to $1000 for a NIB, but XM-18s are usually around $500 or so. If you get a 'rare' version, such as a slicer or odd grind then they'll be more, but for a normal user you can find a decent price. Still a bit of a mark up, but not as bad as you're saying.
 
corwise said:
Look on Bladeforums and you can find much better deals then that. Yes, the XM-24s can run up to $1000 for a NIB, but XM-18s are usually around $500 or so. If you get a 'rare' version, such as a slicer or odd grind then they'll be more, but for a normal user you can find a decent price. Still a bit of a mark up, but not as bad as you're saying.
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$500? add another $250 minimum and a tonne of luck.
 
Only ever had a spanto grind xm-18 and compared to a sebenza...it's a toss up for edc- highly case dependent. Really can't go wrong with either for light edc use. But if you expect to break down a lot of cardboard boxes- sebenza it is. I have on several occasions doubled up- small sebenza and 3" xm-18. However, if I do get a hold of a slicer grind xm-18, forget about it- hinderer all the way...

That being said, I would someday like to get a hold of a large sebenza insingo with micarta inlay...maybe another game changer...
 
$500? add another $250 minimum and a tonne of luck.
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Goes and checks the for sale section.

Damn, I stand corrected. I haven't actually looked at any Hinderer posts in about a year since I have a few and don't need any more. Last year I bought a used non-fllipper for $500, what the heck caused the massive increase? It looks like 24s have gone down in price, those were $1000+ a year ago. Now they're $900. But 18s have definitely climbed.
 
김원진;11061940 said:
mantzao- nice combo you have there :thumbup:

another insingo spanto pair
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Thanks and right back at you:)
love the scale on your insingo:):thumbup:
 
I've had a few of each and I'm going to agree with everyone else in saying that both are great knives. If I could have only one, it would be the XM-18. Currently, I carry an XM-24. My last XM-18, I traded for a mint Large Regular Sebenza #68, plus a nib 7" Green Beret, plus $200.00. I mention that, just to show the comparative value of each knife.
 
Personally I've had a bunch of Sebs. I currently have plain Lg & Sm 21s. Another fav EDC is the Strider SnG. Sure, I'd LOVE to try out an XM. I just can't convince myself that ANY carry knife is worth $800 when I could also have a Seb & SnG for the price. I would never trade two of these knives for ONE other. It just doesn't make sense to me. I would check out a Gen4 XM-18 if one could be had for ~$500 though.
 
This is a great thread! I've often wondered this myself. I'm sure it's due to availability, but even the dealers charge $800 + for production XM-18s. I do plan on owning one someday, but I can't imagine losing a $200 BM or Spyderco. I would cry if I lost one of CRKs. I can't imagine losing or messing up an $800 knife.
 
If you are looking for all the traits of a Hinderer XM-18 and a blade performance of a Sebenza, that knife is the custom Hinderer XM-18 spearpoint grind. IMO

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sebenza, without a question, I have yet to see a situation where I would rather have the hinder for real knife tasks
 
I have both custom and production XM's, and multiple Sebenza's. I like them both, I usually carry a 3'' slicer grind as my EDC and it slices very nice.
 
I've got one of each; apples and oranges.

I tend to be a bit rough around the edges in my day to day dealings
so I would probably prefer the xm-18.
The CRK is more refined.

Depends what you plan to do with it as to which would be better.
Might as well get one of each and decide for yourself.

You know you'll eventually have one of each anway. :p

Better to have both in your hand at the same time
so you can properly compare them.
 
Biginboca said:
After owning a bunch of Sebenzas and XM18's I say get the Umnumzaan if you want a knife that merges the best features of each.

Big Beefy Pivot
Thick Blade
Lock Stop
Slices Great
Carries Slender and Unnoticed
Strong Tip (extremely so on the Umnumzaan Tanto)

If you can't decide grab an Umnumzaan, it's all that and a bag of chips, lol!
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I agree. I don't have a Sebenza and I won't pay the tab for a XM18 (3.5) but I love my Umnumzaan. It's my DAILY carry. I also have a ZT 0550 which is a Hinderer design and it's very smooth. But it's NIB and I'll never carry it as it's too heavy, too thick in the handle for daily carry. The 0550 is very similar in size, blade thickness, handle thickness and weight to the XM-18 (3.5").
The Umnum's blade thickness is .140" compared to the XM's 0.165" and 0.125" for the Sebenza. The Umnum is still a workhorse, designed for heavier duty than the Sebenza and with a much thicker blade, even though the Umnumzaan is not quite as robust as the XM-18. The Umnum is lighter, thinner handled, and carries much easier, IMO, than either the ZT 0550 or the XM-18 (3.5).
Certainly the Umnumzaan is my choice, and can be purchased for 1/2 the price of a XM-18(3.5"). No contest.

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Sonnydaze
 
Thanks everyone. After a hand's on, I went ahead and looked further into the XM-18. Unfortunately I can't say I would be willing to pay the premium asked for a XM-18 with the machining being what it is. No contest for me, IMO the value is in the CRK at this time.

I am intrigued by the XM-18, and will wait for future developments in the model line and see what changes lay ahead and how the Sebenza 25 plays into it.

I have not had a hands on for the Umnumzaan, primarily because I don't care for the pattern on the scale. Though if I used one for a bit, I might find it grows on me.

Strange to many, but the little details play just as big of a role as the cutting performance for me due to my near OCD levels of attention to detail.
 
mantzao said:
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I agree with pretty much that's been said and i still favour my small insingo or 21 rather than my 3" XM.
The slicing ability on the CRks are better but the XM is one hell of an high quality and fun knife to own:)
Those above are my main EDCs:)
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Very nice combo.:thumbup:
 
Thanks:)
I got the XM some new clothes and got it a new friend:
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Still EDC the XM and the Insingo more though:D
 
Basically it boils down to your preference, and the pride of owning a good quality craftsmanship. In my previous post I said I had to return a small Sebenza because it didn't "fit" right in my hands. Everything on the knife was juuuuust about 5mm too big for my hands. It all comes down to trying and fitting, I can't give you suggestions but rather..opionions: Here's mine on the Hinderer:

99% of my cutting the blade material, type of grind is irrelevant. On a design stand point, I don't like the Hinderer's form follows function. The pattern on the scale is too busy, I don't like the flipper disrupting the lines both deployed and folded. The pocket clip does not line up with the blade in a straight line. The Hinderer logo is too "in your face".

The Sebenza, on the other hand, might not suit my style of EDC. I work in an environment where I may be cutting something and somebody will call upon me to do something else, and I would pass my blade to a colleague to finish up. Or I might need to slide the blade across the floor to another guy to finish up a cut. I seriously don't think I want to do that with a Sebenza.

It's knida like going through someone's iPod for recommendations for music, just try it and if you don't like it return it.
 
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