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Anyone have an AOW?
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Ken-
3" magnums?
3" magnums?
Gerberblades, you wroterobably a couple hundred rounds, mainly buckshot.
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No offense, but I think you oversimplify it. The CLEO's who will sign off on NFA toys are few and far between. Even here in FL, whch is VERY gun-friendly, I've NEVER heard of a CLEO signing the form. As a result, the only real option is to use a trust.
The problem is that many people try to go cheaply (a local attorney who is also an SOT down here charges $450) and use software to make their own trusts instead of paying experienced lawyers, and as a result open themselves up to potential problems if there is any real scrutiny.
It is for that reason that I suggested he do the research. NFA is not a subject to be taken lightly...NOR is it a hobby for people who don't have the money to make sure that everything is by the book.
Before you get serious, JVB423, do some research in your local area (maybe you can check a local gun forum) and find out how amenable your local CLEO is to signing the forms. Once you've got your answer, you'll know what your next step is.
Your best bet for an AOW is to find someone (Lunde can help you here) who builds them out of virgin 870 receivers. I used to know who, but it's been awhile since I did the research and decided I wasn't at the point in my life where I could afford to start buying SBR's, SBS's, SMG's, and/or suppressors.
My good buddy, however, has just become and FFL/SOT, so now may be the time to explore at least the AOW/Suppressor option again.
I've had two leos sign off on one. One for a machine gun, the other for the AOW. One even said for the FA "wow that looks like fun". I do not recommend using quicken willmaker and my next will be an m16 on a trust that i'll have a local attorney familiar with NFA write up. I'm not really trying to oversimplify it, but honestly if you have a CLEO who is willing to sign off (almost all are in NH it seems as NONE of my friends have had ANY problem) then the process is very painless. The waiting is the hardest part. I'm currently three weeks in waiting for my machine gun and the check hasn't even been cashed by the ATF yet.
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What kind of SMG did you buy? I'm currently waiting on my stamp for an RDIAS, which will primarily be used as a 9mm SMG with an SBR 9mm upper.
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Ken.
That is one sweet scatter gun. Nice pics too, as always.
Keep them coming.
That is one sweet scatter gun. Nice pics too, as always.
Keep them coming.
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Super sweet 870. . . . Looks like it would reak havoc on the local bunny population!!!!. . . . 
In the words of one of the greatest gun guys of all time. . . . Elmer (Fudd, not Keith) "Be verrrrry verrrry quiet. . . . I'm hunting wabbits!!!!!" :thumbup:
Nice score!!! :thumbup:
Jerry
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In the words of one of the greatest gun guys of all time. . . . Elmer (Fudd, not Keith) "Be verrrrry verrrry quiet. . . . I'm hunting wabbits!!!!!" :thumbup:
Nice score!!! :thumbup:
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You fellas are lucky to live in "NFA Friendly" cities. Maybe further up north here in FL there would be less of a problem.
Ken, you don't keep those NFA toys in CA, do you? I'm assuming that stay at your pops' place...
Ken, you don't keep those NFA toys in CA, do you? I'm assuming that stay at your pops' place...
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I'm in N FL, and nobody I've known has had problems getting class III items.
They had to wait like 9 months or so for the ATF to get off their hands, but, other than that. . .
They had to wait like 9 months or so for the ATF to get off their hands, but, other than that. . .
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I'mGatMan!, you wrote:
In my experience, with regard to the CLEO signature on the Form 4, half the battle is simply making the effort. The other half of the battle is presenting yourself, and how you describe the NFA weapon. For example, when I needed the CLEO signature from a county sheriff in South Dakota two years ago, I referred to the NFA weapon as a "rimfire suppressor."
This AOW now resides with me in California, quite legally according to State and Federal laws. My two suppressors and submachine gun need to stay out-of-state. California (via Penal Code 12020(b)(8)) specifically exempts AOWs, except for pen guns, from California's SBS restrictions. Apparently, AOWs are very popular with LEOs in this state.
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No offense, but I think you oversimplify it. The CLEO's who will sign off on NFA toys are few and far between. Even here in FL, whch is VERY gun-friendly, I've NEVER heard of a CLEO signing the form. As a result, the only real option is to use a trust.
The problem is that many people try to go cheaply (a local attorney who is also an SOT down here charges $450) and use software to make their own trusts instead of paying experienced lawyers, and as a result open themselves up to potential problems if there is any real scrutiny.
It is for that reason that I suggested he do the research. NFA is not a subject to be taken lightly...NOR is it a hobby for people who don't have the money to make sure that everything is by the book.
Before you get serious, JVB423, do some research in your local area (maybe you can check a local gun forum) and find out how amenable your local CLEO is to signing the forms. Once you've got your answer, you'll know what your next step is.
Your best bet for an AOW is to find someone (Lunde can help you here) who builds them out of virgin 870 receivers. I used to know who, but it's been awhile since I did the research and decided I wasn't at the point in my life where I could afford to start buying SBR's, SBS's, SMG's, and/or suppressors.
My good buddy, however, has just become and FFL/SOT, so now may be the time to explore at least the AOW/Suppressor option again.
I have never had a problem getting my LEO to sign paperwork. It really is as simple as it sounds even in a large city. Maybe it's just that here in Indiana we still have some common sense laws and people
Bob
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I did not have a problem at all getting my forms signed. I am now the proud owner of a 10.5" 458 SOCOM AR-15 and a Colt 6933. Took almost 4 months for the paperwork to get back from the ATF, but the only thing I was asked for to get my signature was if he could come and shoot the guns when I got the paperwork back. I of course told him yes.
There are also other people who can sign the paperwork, not just the CLEO. Your county's probate judge can sign it. There is a list of people who can(Call the ATF and ask, or if your local gun store has anyone behind the counter who actually knows anything about firearm laws, ask them). Find the most gun friendly and ask them.
There are also other people who can sign the paperwork, not just the CLEO. Your county's probate judge can sign it. There is a list of people who can(Call the ATF and ask, or if your local gun store has anyone behind the counter who actually knows anything about firearm laws, ask them). Find the most gun friendly and ask them.
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230grains, you wrote:It is an SWD M11/9mm. I became the legal owner in 1987 or 1988. The photo below was taken in 2002, and is of my oldest son firing it:
He is 21 years old now, which is about the age I was when I bought it.
The BEST thing you can do is get yourself the lage/max-11 slowfire upper for that. My god they're fun. They turn your bullet hose into an SMG that can rival an mp5.
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That .458 socom has got to be a blast with a 10.5 inch upper!
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YES!!!
I will be reporting back sometime later this year. I plan to take it hunting this season. I will get some pictures of it soon and post them on here. It is a custom upper done by Marty with Teppo Jutsu. Stainless barrel, larue tactical upper and a prototype muzzle break/flash suppressor done by the Lehigh bullet manufacturer. I was looking for just a regular 10.5" 458 SOCOM upper and this one came up for sale over at 458socomforums.com so I went ahead and jumped on it.
I will be shooting it this weekend, expect a picture thread by next week.
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I've been toying with the idea of something very similar. Yours is the first one I've seen with chokes, and is IMHO a must on such a shotgun. I want to add a Knoxx Brecher grip, a side saddle and a light. Maybe a bayonet lug (ala 590) for the MOAB (just kidding). I need a good short bedside gun and with the "special" load I have, the 12 gauge is my preferred choice, but my Police 870 is a little long.
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Like others have said, the paperwork is not bad. CLEO signoff's in OK and TX are easy in most areas. You can have the chief of police, DA, or Sheriff sign off, and if they don't, a trust is not that hard. I bought my first NFA items in 1997 and have bought several since. Be very careful, they are addictive!! I need one of those Serbu Super Shorty's!!!
I like the quiet ones the best!!!
I like the quiet ones the best!!!
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