Anyone interested...Take a look

Don

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There is a knife\sword in Ebay go to ebay.com use their search engine for item #105803991.
It just so happens that I am holding this knife in my hot little hands. I don't have any extra knife money right now so I can't even think about getting it. A friend at work has it for sale.
If anyone is interested I can offer firsthand information about this piece. I sure would like to know more about it for my continueing education. I believe the piece to be a Moro (philipino) blade. I will have this for today only.

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Don Juvet, Somerset CA, U.S.A.



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That number comes up dead on the EBay search engine. Please provide a URL.

Jim March
 
cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=105803991
Is this what you want? If not go to ebay.com click on their search got to "Item search" down
lower on the page and type that number. I just did it and it worked fine ...i'm trying the url thingy
OK just click on the blue line... cool... I know that this blade is a Moro Barong from what I have been told so far is that it looks authentic "real" not like a "tourist" piece. I don't really know how to tell. Anyone have any comments, info, questions...
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wow... I did it..... ain't that the coolest
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Whoa. That's the real thing, not a Kris Kutlery replica. You know, you oughta post over on Donna's FMA forum on KF.

Jim March
 
Jim, yes it does look like the real thing. Hoping to hear from some of our friends out on the islands. I posted the info over in Donnas FMA forum in KF. I'll post here if I hear anything.

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Don Juvet, Somerset CA, U.S.A.

 
I just got some email from Dannyc. He says it looks just like one his father has. He got it from a Cheiftain in a Mindanao village. Very Very sharp indeed. Hoping to find out more details about this blade. Thanks

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Don Juvet, Somerset CA, U.S.A.

 
This is a fine example of a Moro(sp?)Barong. This is really a short sword. Well worth a serious bid!!!
Happy Trails,
Dan
 
Hi Don,

Sorry for the late response. Just got back from my parent's place (my daughter's birthday today, yipee!).
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Anyway, I got to handle that Barong (not sure if they actually called it "barong" as barong is a kind of cloth we have here), and according to my dad, that small sword is actually a personal sword carried by the Moros to compliment their main sword, which is the Kris. Hmm... I guess you can compare this to the Wakizashi sword of the Japanese, which is also carried side by side with a Katana, their longer sword.

This Barong we have here (some call them Gulok, I think) actually came from one of Mindanao's most famous bandit, named Maklon (Titan, since you're in the Davao area, perhaps you can verify if such a guy existed) who was pretty well-endowed with beheading his enemies and stabbing them. (yuck...)

My dad was still cursing a bit when he was telling me all these, because apparently, someone stole the mother of pearl which used to be on the tip of that scabbard, aside from the capiz shells that adorn the rest of the scabbard (like on your pic). Apparently, the guy who did it, couldn't remove it in the normal way, so it was "broken" away, the tip of the scabbard is missing. ARGH! Does your sword handle have some sort of abaca fiber wrapping? Ours did, and some gold and brass inlays as well.

Since it had no hand-guard (or tsuba in the japanese sword), my dad had to put an old peso coin (circa 1972) since he was cut quite a number of times when his hands slipped forward while cutting something.. hehe... The original one didn't even have any hand-guard.
Yep, it looked a bit silly, but it apparently does the job pretty well of protecting your hand against slipping towards that razor sharp blade.

Now, for the steel itself. This steel is apparently made out of spring steel. And nope, it's not made from steel taken from railroads either. He showed me the difference when he brought out one of those heavy-duty locally-made choppers that came from our restaurant before. Those were made from steel taken from abandoned railroads.
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The sound itself when you strike it is different, reminds me of the sound when steel meets steel during a swordfight.

What's funny about the steel from this Barong, is that it holds an edge like forever. Even with rust settling in, I ran my thumb across the edge, tried shaving hair (I know, it's a no-no to keep a hair-popping edge on a sword), chopped some stuffs like wood, cardboard boxes, sliced some leather, even chopped some discarded bones from our would-be dinner that night, hehe.. and the edge didn't even budge. It didn't even chip where the edge struck bone a couple of times.

Can you say Trailmaster eat your heart out? lol!!!
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Hmmm.. remember what I told you about that guy Maklon being infamous for his rampant beheading and stabbing of his enemies? (very typical of the rebel group here called MNLF).
Well, this small sword is all rusty and everything, and knowing my dad who keeps his swords and knives really clean, he told me that this is only one of the two swords he can't get rid of the rust permanently. The other is the WWII japanese sword which is in my possession.

Take note, this steel does not "rust" as in the regular brownish rust you normally see. It rusts BLACK (due to the blood I think). And it takes on this "fishy" kind of smell not even oiling it would get rid of that smell (foul actually, smells like death). Same problem I have with my katana, as it was also one of those swords that tasted human flesh more than a couple of times already. ughh..

This weekend, I told my dad that I will try to clean it and see if Tuf-Glide or Marine Tuf-Cloth can do something about it. Of course I'll have to get down and dirty, and use different grits of sandpaper to rid of that black rust first. These are the times when I wish I still had my digital camera.
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There are lots of copies of this sword locally in the Mindanao Area. I think Titan can tell us more as he's located there right now (probably beheading chickens, heheheh).

If that one is in mint condition, it should have a good value. My dad had this since he was still single, and he's now 65 yrs. old.
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Just don't ask me to test and see if it can still behead someone, hahahahaha..
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Anything else you want to know about this sword?

Dan
 
Sorry for the veeeeeeeeeeerrrrryyyyyy long post, guys..
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Anyway, Don, you said that your co-worker owns this. How was he able to bring it there in the first place? I mean, for him to have brought it there, must have meant that it's one of his cherished possessions??

Titan - Can you do a check on that Maklon guy I mentioned earlier? If history serves me well, I think this bandit was finally put to "rest" by our local Marine Troops in the late 60's or early 70's ... by about a couple of dozen M-16 bullets.. hehehe.. but not after slicing and dicing a couple of our marines in return... (gross, I know..) I would like to find out if this is the very same sword which was with him during his last days.
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My dad has a picture of him and the Datu that gave him this sword. Is it tradition to return the possessions of a Moro to the family of the deceased? Do try to find out while you're in the vicinity, and for cryin' out loud, try to keep your head on your shoulder intact! lol...
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I think the MNLF are still pretty much active in your area.

Dan
 
Hey DannyC thats a lot of information. Thanks
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I'm not sure how this sword came to be in the US. My friend is a dealer in antiques and handles estate sales. This is when say an older person wants tosell off some of their things to pay bills or ? and they call him & his wife in to help with the lot, I think sometimes he gets too good of a deal, none of my business. This blade also seems to oxidize(rust) black, it doesn't smell bad though. When handling it didn't seem to be needing a gaurd(tsuba) as the silver ferrule was wider toward the blade. Danny whats "Abacca fiber" ? The entire scabbard, 2 pcs of wood, are wrapped by some sort of reed, it's all intact with minor damage on the back toward the bottom. It appears someone put some sort of clear lacquer on it to stop it from unwrapping. I would consider this blade to be in "Very Fine" condition, not mint. My reasoning for this is the very small chip in the wood "parrot"? (square part hanginf from the handle), red damage mentioned before, half of the wedge that holds the blade in tight to the ferrule & handle assm, very light pitting on the blade(could easily be removed).
This blade is VERY sharp for such a large blade. Let me know when\if you find out more.
Salamat Po My Friend

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Don Juvet, Somerset CA, U.S.A.



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Well, if you've tried using one yourself, you'll find the need for a tsuba eventually, hehehe.. My dad found out the hard way.
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Don, that sword is a collector's piece already. Estimated age would be somewhere between 20 to 25 years old. Not sure if they still make them here, but for sure, the steel is different as you may have noticed.

As to the Abaca Fiber I mentioned earlier, it's the wrapping on the handle. I think it's laquered on, and looks like snakeskin to me.

When handling, just be careful. I don't know what it is with that steel, but when you get cut with it, it hurts pretty bad, and I mean pretty bad.
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Did anybody bid for it yet?
 
The bid is up to about $76. I've been told alot of potential bidders lurk until the last day or two that the item is available. Then you don't know what will happen with the price. In Ebay and other auctions when you list something you put a time limit on the auction item IE: 10 days, 15 days etc... at the end of the time limit high bid wins. As far as gaurd goes, I am not cutting anything with this thing-- #1 its not mine, #2 if I (mess) it up I can't afford it (i have 5 horses, 3 kids to feed) #3 I don't have any chickens LOL
Later

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Don Juvet, Somerset CA, U.S.A.

 
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