Anyone making sheaths similar to R. Holloman's work, but for Busses?

Dr. Lecter

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Looking for a minimalist leather scout carry sheath with magnetic retention, the closest to what I want in terms of quality and features are those Rawhide Leather's Richard Holloman has on his site.

Unfortunately, I need a sheath for a NMSFNO and it seems he's only making stuff for tracker variants now. I'd send him an email saying I don't care how long it takes or what it costs, but his disclaimer ("I have been getting requests for custom sheaths for knives other than what are listed below. Unfortunately due to circumstances, I no longer have the time to take on any orders for knives not listed on this page.") makes it pretty clear that would be unwelcome.

Anyone know of someone who can produce similar work (press-fitted heavy leather and magnetic retention that can handle the constant bouncing around associated with trail running)? The only similar sheath design I saw while looking was a leather/kydex hybrid, which is not what I want.
 
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I don't know about the press fitted leather, but I have two sheaths by Chuddy Bear that have earth magnets in the sheath. They were a option he offered that he doesn't list. Very nice fit and heavy duty leather and one of the sheaths is for my NMSFNO.
Plenty of great sheath makers around these parts, I'm sure they will be a long soon :-)
 
I too love the Holloman sheaths and wanted one for my LE SFNO. He even made that exact sheath, so I thought there was a slim chance he may have one around. I saw the disclaimer and sent a very similar email and never got a reply.
 
Unless he has patented or trademarked the process I would think any leathersmith worthy of the name could do the same technique.
 
ohiojerry said:
Unless he has patented or trademarked the process I would think any leathersmith worthy of the name could do the same technique.
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I've thought about this and I know a few guys on the forum have the exact sheath I want, I just never felt right about copying someone's work
 
jbs121s said:
I've thought about this and I know a few guys on the forum have the exact sheath I want, I just never felt right about copying someone's work
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That is awesome to see, thank you.
 
David Brown said:
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That is awesome to see, thank you.
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No offense Dave, but I would like to explore this idea a bit.

Scout style sheaths have been done before. Magnetic retention has been done.

Is Holloway the first and only to combine these ideas? No sarcasm, serious question.
If yes, does that mean that no other sheathmaker should ever use the idea?
If Holloway chooses to not supply sheaths to the market, except in Tracker styles, does that mean that no other maker can supply a potential customer?

I get intellectual property. In the legal realm, that is covered by patents or trademarks or copyright. But if those don't or can't be applied, then what guides a customer and a supplier? Should a maker refuse to make a 'Holloway style' sheath, even if Holloway won't make it? Or should the maker at least name it as such?

Many knifemakers offer 'Loveless style' blades, by name. Should they not even offer such a style?

Much to chew on here, it seems to me.
 
I want to respond, but my eyes are closing on me. So saving this spot to come back to later. In short, I've always been open to anyone using any of my unique designs, I dont own any of them and wont try to keep anyone from wanting something like my style done by anyone else.

More tomorrow. G'night. :D

Coming back in for the edit, leaving what I have already. Now, Like I said before, I dont mind sharing my designs and techniques to new and up and coming leather crafters. Doing it right now in the sheath forum. Now, that said, if a particular pattern or design is something that speaks of who I am as a sheath maker then I'd appreciate at least a note asking if its ok. I will always give my blessing no matter what, but its nice to be asked. I can name two right now that did not, and one that did. My respect will always go to the one who did, and he has freely shared his techniques as well, Chuddy Bear. I wont name the other two. sorry.

If you want to protect your intellectual property, do it right! Trademark or patent it! I see them both out there. If you honestly are too cheap to do it, so sorry you dont have the right to go fussing to anyone about stolen property. Its simple insurance, otherwise its simple whining.

Busse does it right, he went through it all to get what is rightly his property, well worth it. It doesn't matter what the naysayers fuss about, its rock solid.

To answer specifics, If I didnt cover them here, I'll go back and check. But it boils down to the above.
 
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resinguy said:
No offense Dave, but I would like to explore this idea a bit.

Scout style sheaths have been done before. Magnetic retention has been done.

Is Holloway the first and only to combine these ideas? No sarcasm, serious question.
If yes, does that mean that no other sheathmaker should ever use the idea?
If Holloway chooses to not supply sheaths to the market, except in Tracker styles, does that mean that no other maker can supply a potential customer?

I get intellectual property. In the legal realm, that is covered by patents or trademarks or copyright. But if those don't or can't be applied, then what guides a customer and a supplier? Should a maker refuse to make a 'Holloway style' sheath, even if Holloway won't make it? Or should the maker at least name it as such?

Many knifemakers offer 'Loveless style' blades, by name. Should they not even offer such a style?

Much to chew on here, it seems to me.
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Obviously this debate extends beyond what I was asking about, but I would like to be clear that I'm not trying to find someone who will copy a style or the overall look of anyone's work, unless you want to call 'minimalist scout style sheath of ultra-heavy, formed leather with mag retention' a style. The aesthetic choices and overall look are, to me at least, much less important than what it's made of and how it's made.
 
My comment was pretty short and maybe a little vague, but what I meant was I want a Holloway sheath and I know it isn't right to make an "exact" copy. I realize at some point a leather sheath is a leather sheath. There are a half dozen or so guys out there ( a couple whom have taken the time to comment on this thread ) making some grade A sheaths and I respect that. These guys are artists and craftsman, I am not, but if I was I would be pissed to see someone make an exact copy of my work.
That being said, I wish Holloman would build me a damn sheath....I have been watching the forum harder for one of his sheaths than I have for knives.....Grail Sheath.
 
jbs121s said:
I have been watching the forum harder for one of his sheaths than I have for knives.....Grail Sheath.
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Same here! Though I think the only scout style Busse sheath of his I've seen was for a SFNO - the NMSFNO sheath of his that I saw, while cool, was not something that would work for me.

It's amazing how cheap even the best handmade sheaths are, though, and I wonder if that plays a role in sheath makers choosing to focus on turning out a narrow selection of models. In the sword realm, you can drop a couple grand on an Albion sword but still spend even more on a well made scabbard. I would happily pay the same money I spent on the custom shop NMSFNO for a properly executed sheath for it.
 
It is hard to make something unique enough that no one would come in and say 'this bit was copied from my work'... It goes for sheaths, it goes for knives...

I've never looked at a sheath and decided to make one just like it.
And, at the same time I can't say that I have not made one that looks like someone else's work because I have not seen them all.

There are some principles of making a leather sheath that are being followed by pretty much everyone making the sheaths, so is that copying?
 
resinguy said:
No offense Dave, but I would like to explore this idea a bit.

Scout style sheaths have been done before. Magnetic retention has been done.

Is Holloway the first and only to combine these ideas? No sarcasm, serious question.
If yes, does that mean that no other sheathmaker should ever use the idea?
If Holloway chooses to not supply sheaths to the market, except in Tracker styles, does that mean that no other maker can supply a potential customer?

I get intellectual property. In the legal realm, that is covered by patents or trademarks or copyright. But if those don't or can't be applied, then what guides a customer and a supplier? Should a maker refuse to make a 'Holloway style' sheath, even if Holloway won't make it? Or should the maker at least name it as such?

Many knifemakers offer 'Loveless style' blades, by name. Should they not even offer such a style?

Much to chew on here, it seems to me.
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While I strongly disagree with resinguy's views about Facebook :D he has pretty much captured my thoughts on this subject perfectly.
 
I think the whole idea of saying you own a good idea is a bit absurd, but then again the entire monetary system is pretty absurd so I guess it makes sense from a perspective of two wrong's make a right or something along those lines…...
 
It comes down to something unique about a certain makers work. Take Mr Brown for instance, he puts a hole in the sheath over the talon hole of the knife. This is unique to his work, thus would be something to protect. Now, for instance, he made a claim that all taco style kydex was his idea, that would be absurd.

I started making an open spine sheath for khuks back in the early 2000's. At the time Sarki Shop was making custom open spine sheaths, and had been since the 90's if not earlier. He was rather shocked that I bothered writing to ask if he'd be offended if I made some open spine sheaths at a customers request. "Of course!" he said "I dont know why you asked, its not my property"

Thing is, why would anyone say no when asked? Unless you paid for a patent or trademark, you really have no leg to stand on.

Speaking of patents, Hedgehog leather has a patent on his shock corded keeper straps, a wise move. He does sell the rights to use it, so is not selfishly guarding his property but he is protecting it.
 
Red Angel Dragnet said:
I think the whole idea of saying you own a good idea is a bit absurd, but then again the entire monetary system is pretty absurd so I guess it makes sense from a perspective of two wrong's make a right or something along those lines…...
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If you adhere to that idea strictly, then Armalite (or Eugene Stoner!) is the only person making AR platform rifles, Colt is the only entity making 1911 pistols, and the first guy that bent some kydex around a blade is the only person doing that.
 
ohiojerry said:
If you adhere to that idea strictly, then Armalite (or Eugene Stoner!) is the only person making AR platform rifles, Colt is the only entity making 1911 pistols, and the first guy that bent some kydex around a blade is the only person doing that.
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Don't forget the wheel and who invented it, we don't need cars anyways right…. ;) :)
 
It would be a small world if the first person to do something would be the only one with the rights to do it huh.

Well, actually, we wouldn't be able to make anything. One to do kydex sheaths and holsters, one to do leather sheaths and holsters. I wonder if the first guy to make a kydex sheath is still out there... if he is then everyone behind him is copying him.

Think if Walker retained the rights to his invention of the liner lock, interesting eh.

Lots to ponder.
 
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