Anyone NOT like the compression lock?

I have owned the Vesuvius and the Salsa, and I just don't care for the Compression-Lock.

In my opinion, it really offers no "real world" advantage over a time proven lock-back.
And it offers no more reliability than a liner-lock with LAWKS.
And it's not as user friendly as the Axis-lock.

It is different, but just not BETTER.

Allen.
 
allenC said:
In my opinion, it really offers no "real world" advantage over a time proven lock-back.

It is easier to open/close one handed for some.

thombrogan said:
Was that dripping with blind hatred and putrid venom?

You have to read the posts I don't write to follow such conversations.

-Cliff
 
The compression lock is the best lock, for me, available right now.

The Axis lock is also very good, but I don't care for Benchmade knives, so it's a moot point for me.

Second choice for me would be a lockback, but again, the compression lock suits me perfectly.

Anyone ever had a compression lock fail or break?
 
mike_mck2 said:
Anyone ever had a compression lock fail or break?

I have heavy torque tested a few, they are very stable, and can also handle very high loads. I have not recalled any incidents of gross problems on the forums outside of sticking which caused a lack of engagement due to dried juice or similar.

-Cliff
 
One of my compression locks sticks, but I like it that way.

None of mine have any blade play at all, but then, I'm not worried about a bit of play as long as it does not create a problem with lockup.

I have torqued my Paramilitaries quite a bit and have had zero problems, and I have 100% more confidence in the compression lock compared to the liner lock.

Further, closing the compression lock with either hand does not involve putting any fingers in the path of the blade, and that is quite nice as well.

As far as Spyderco knives are concerened, I would think that the compression lock would make the liner lock competely obsolete.
 
After all this time I stil haven't really torture tested enough compression locks to have completely firm opinions. However, of the experience I do have, I find the compression lock to be excellent. It essentially delivers what the old liner lock promised -- but miserably failed -- to deliver. Reliability and strength coupled with smooth operation and a bare minimum of moving parts. For some reason, I find both the regular rightie versions, and the Gunting version (i.e., the "leftie" version) easy to disengage with both my left and right hands. The lock ends up being ambidextrous to me in a weird way.

Joe
 
I love how the compression lock wont slip. The anvil pin will have to rip out to get it to close
 
I own a Spyderco Lil' Temperance, and it has a compression lock.
I'm having trouble understanding why some individuals find it difficult, or awkward to operate ?

This is not a criticisim, or anything of the sort, it's just whilst I admit that I am fairly new to folder's, and collecting Spyderco's, I do not see much difference between operating a compression lock, to operating a standard liner lock.

The compression lock contacts the tang, and also uses a stop pin, which makes for an efficiently strong lockup, however in terms of opening and closing, I think that it is pretty much identical to opening/closing a liner lock,... with the only difference being that the lock is on top, and not on the bottom, and you push to the left, instead of the right. In my opinion, these are only minor differences, which I don't see as being an issue at all. I find one-handed manipulation to be just as easy, and in terms of blade play, I have to mention that my Lil' Temp actually has zero play both vertical, and horizontal, and in both the open and closed position.

I'd be extremely interested to know why others see it as such a big difference ?, and why it would even affect one's decision in regards to purchasing a particular knife ?.
The way I see it, is that the compression lock is a whole lot stronger, with the same difficulty in opening/closing a liner lock.
For that matter, I don't even understand why it's not simply called a liner lock, I am not fully knowledgable in the technical department, and so I simply see it as just being a variation of the liner lock.

Any responses that can assist myself in understanding why it's such a different mechanism in terms of operation, is most welcome, for it's a legitimate inquiry of mine. :)
I also plan to purchase a Para-Millie eventually, and I'd also be interested in knowing if play is a major issue in compression locks, since my only compression lock knife, being the Lil'Temp, has absolutely no play.
 
DaveH said:
Every single compression lock knife I have tried has developed vertical blade play that was difficult or impossible to adjust out. Maybe I got several different "duds", but I'm not interested in knives with that lock now.
Same here. I've got a Yojimbo with some play that I'll probably end up having to send back. I've sort of lost interest in the compression lock as a result.
 
I like the way the lock holds the blade open and my Paramilitary locks up solid. The release is a little odd, but I've gotten used to that.

The only thing that concerns me with this design is not the way the blade is held open, but the way it is held closed. There seems to be very little pressure holding the blade shut and with tip-down only carry, this causes some concern. The probability of accidental opening in the pocket may not be very high, but I'm just not as comfortable with this one right now as some of the other lock designs in this particular area.
 
cmd said:
My remark was about Cliff having a bias towards Spyderco, one of my favorite knife manufacturers.

I did read that totally opposite of how you meant it. Oops. Sorry.
 
I had 2 Guntings, and I thought the orientation of the lock was great for right handed use. I disengaged it like a lockback. Haven't handled the other models, but I don't think I'd like using my index finger to disengage the lock, thumb is just too natural.
 
Only thing I dont like about the compression lock is that all of them has lousy blade to handle ratios. But then the same can be said for nearly all spydercos with their choils designed in for grip n control. I have tried the Vesuvius with the compression lock but do not like it not because of the lock but because the example I had had the worst uneven blade grind I hav seen. B4 anyone bash me as a spydie hater I will say that I have sypdies and do like some of them and am looking to get a starmate!!!
 
Mudflap said:
I like the way the lock holds the blade open and my Paramilitary locks up solid. The release is a little odd, but I've gotten used to that.

The only thing that concerns me with this design is not the way the blade is held open, but the way it is held closed. There seems to be very little pressure holding the blade shut and with tip-down only carry, this causes some concern. The probability of accidental opening in the pocket may not be very high, but I'm just not as comfortable with this one right now as some of the other lock designs in this particular area.

+1

I have a Lil' Temp and now a Paramillie, and I can see that the Comp Lock is clearly very "strong," but there's more to a great lock than the ability to lift a car with it. The Axis lock still has not one but four benefits over the Comp Lock: (1) It keeps the blade closed in your pocket like a lockback, while still being super easy to open; (2) it's very easy to unlock when you want to unlock it, but very difficult to unlock accidentally (because the buttons are on the sides); (3) it's totally ambidextrous; (4) it's fun. Number 1 is the most important, I think.

It looks to me like Spyderco's Ball Lock works like an Axis, but with the ball instead of the bar. If so, it has a chance to be a real winner if they just make it a little easier to use.
 
kevtan said:
B4 anyone bash me as a spydie hater I will say that I have sypdies and do like some of them and am looking to get a starmate!!!

The latest version of the Vesuvius, the Centofante III, is now a lockback, so probably even Spyderco agrees with your opinion of that knife with a compression lock.
 
One of the primary reasons I'm probably going to buy the para is for the handle to blade ratio. Knives like the para and centofante are good examples of what I'm looking for. They moved the axis of the blade down the handle a cm, so you can have a three inch blade with an unusually long handle. It's a compromise. It doesn't fit in your pocket as well, but I have reasonably large hands, and knives like my M16 and minigrip just barely hold my pinky on. This of course, is all to meet my self imposed ~3 inch blade limit in attempt not to scare my colleagues. Fortunately, biologists are a tougher stock of scientist, so they don't notice the three inch blade knives.

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Compared to my d2 minigrip

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I've had a Paramilitary for more than a year. It's one of my favorite knives. While it's not as easy to use as an Axis lock, I have no problem opening and closing it with either hand. I have not had any problems with play in any direction.

The blade-to-handle ratio is no mistake. Sal doesn't play by the rules. For me, it gives a superior grip on a shorter blade, which adds up to better control, especially with the tip. Think of a wood carving knife (full size handle, small blade).
 
Went to house of blades today, which was pretty amazing. Offered me a job too. I'll think about it.

In any case, got to try two paras and they were fantastic. I absolutely loved them. One of the compression locks was a little sticky, but acceptable. The other was very smooth. It'll take awhile to get used to, but it was great. I imagine it'll be my second favorite to the axis lock.

The para was everything I'd hoped for. The ergonomics are my favorite of any knife ever. I love the enlarged spyderhole. I'm going to use it to draw the knife and spyderdrop it, I think.

I'd love to see pics of anyone's para while I wait on mine. I didn't get to see a black blade para in real life, so I don't know which one I'd like more. In the photos, i didn't like the polished one, but in real life, it was beautiful. So any photos yall have of your personal knife (I've seen all the net ones) would be fun.
 
The black is a nice, dull matte black. I personally LOVE my satin one and it's REAL smooth since I took the pivot apart, removed all the gunk and left the nytralon washers dry (new ones are bronze)
 
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