I used the smaller version for my first batch of knives and practice knives. They aren't bad for the price. If you had a multi speed bench grinder to attach them to, you'ld be in even better shape. I believe Ferret still uses one for his knives. At least he did not too long ago. However, once you step up to a Bader 3 or Burr King or KMG, somethingwith more possibilities, you will really notice the difference. It's a great starter !....RDT
I mad this one with it...