Anything New Coming Down the Pipe Soon in H1 ???

[Guyon]

I recall talk of a fixed blade dive knife in H1. Is that close to production? Blade 2007 maybe?

Any other H1 knives in the works?

 

[Axlis13]

I'm ready for the Saver Salt, which I wish was in PE (BTW Sal, thanks for answering my question on the other forum, though maybe you will consider a PE Saver Salt one day!).

There's a number of things lined up, including an Ed Schempp camp knife, an H1 utility knife and the aforementioned Saver Salt, an H1 Rescue 79mm. If there was anything I missed, I'm sure someone else will think of it.

H1 is some great stuff, really grown on me.

 

[zenheretic]

I recall talk of a fixed blade dive knife in H1. Is that close to production? Blade 2007 maybe?

Any other H1 knives in the works?

Two different dive knives...pointy and non pointy as well as two fixed blades similar in shape to the Vagabond...but without the built in blade cover.


edited bah! not only did Axlis beat me but his list is more complete.

 

[Guyon]

Man, I've been out of the Spyderco loop too long. Are there proto pics yet? Here or at the Spyderco forum?

 

[zenheretic]

Man, I've been out of the Spyderco loop too long. Are there proto pics yet? Here or at the Spyderco forum?

Yeah on spyderco forum look for the Amsterdam thread

 

[Axlis13]

BTW, here's a link to a thread that's got some pics of the new H1 stuff, taken by Mr. Blonde at the Amsterdam show.

http://spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26699

 

[Axlis13]

edited bah! not only did Axlis beat me but his list is more complete.

Yes, but you beat me on the Amsterdam thread reference, so I supplied the missing link!

 

[Guyon]

Absolutely great thread. Thanks. I assume Sal granted permission to post these pics before they went live?

Anyone know a blade length on that Hossom Woodlander? That one may go on the "must have" list if it's 8" or over.

And I want an H1 Utility. Extremely cool. Exactly what I wanted for saltwater utility (fishing) work.

 

[Guyon]

Aha. I see now that it's not the the Woodlander I want.

It's the Forester, and it's already available? Or maybe it's just pre-sale links I'm pulling up? Probably so.

Jerry Hossom is known for massive knives with thick blades and this collaboration is quite a departure for Spyderco, better known for its "big little knives." Moreover, they are producing not just one, but four "Hossoms," varying in size from 10 inches to just shy of 16 inches long.

All four knives share basic specifications. All are full tang with N690Co stainless blades that incorporate a recurved edge with a very full belly and upswept tip, a very highly modified drop point. The spine is not flat, but has a hump in it producing a good deal of weight forward. They are full flat grinds with a deep finger choil forward of the half guard and a matching thumb ramp with jimping extending forward from the handle on top.

The highly sculpted green-gray canvas micarta handles (the images don't show off the color) look great, but like many large knives, the handles elicit strong reactions. You likely will love 'em or hate 'em, with little middle ground. These are definitely a knife you want to handle before purchasing. The handles swell perceptibly in the center and have very deep fore and aft portions that capture your hand. The lanyard hole is located at the bottom of the bird's beak tail end.

A Kydex sheath with a five-position TekLock fastener is provided. All that steel and micarta and Kydex do not come cheap. Here's a rundown of the specs for each knife:

Forester: Overall 15.563 in. / Cutting edge 9.125 in. / Weight 16.8 oz. / MSRP $375
Forager: Overall 14 in. / Cutting edge 7.5 in. / Weight 14.7oz. / MSRP: $340
Woodlander: Overall 12.625 in. / Cutting edge 6.094 in. / Weight 13.4 oz. / MSRP: $290
Dayhiker: Overall 10.5 in. / Cutting edge 4.563 in. / Weight 7.6 oz. / MSRP: $230

Source: http://www.equipped.com/shot_show_2007_knives5.htm

 

[Guyon]

Cool. Spyderco Forester and a PE H1 Utility are now on the I gotta have one list.

 

[Guyon]

Anybody know if the H1 Utility will come with a sheath?

 

[tazkristi]

Anybody know if the H1 Utility will come with a sheath?

The Aqua Salt will come with a Kydex Sheath.

Kristi

 

[Guyon]

Is that the new name for these? Aqua Salts?

I'm gonna have to have a PE and SE.

I see Jerry Hossom cruising this thread. Jerry, that collaboration line-up looks great!

 

[Jerry Hossom]

Thanks Guyon. I hope you like it should you decide to get one.

One of the reasons I was hanging out here was because of that Shot Show review. I'd read that elsewhere and the first line is like nails on a blackboard for me.

Jerry Hossom is known for massive knives with thick blades...

While it's true I often make large knives, I also make small knives and have probably made fewer than 10 blades with thick steel in my entire career and half those were swods. In truth, I've always prided myself on making large knives that were much lighter than you'd expect. That same is true of these knives which are lighter than most such knives of their size.

I also think I can safely say the "loves" outnumber the "hates" by a pretty good margin with respect to my handles...

In any case, I'm glad you like what you see. If you get one, I'd welcome your feedback.

 

[OldPhysics]

I think there are a lot of folks 'out here' waiting around for those Hossom collaborations with Spyderco. Very attractive designs...

 

[Sal Glesser]

Sorry to contradict, Taz, but the H1 utility "Aqua salts" will come with an injection molded FRN sheath. Cost was a big issue on this model and Boltaron (top drawer Kydex) sheaths are all hand made, hence considerably more expensive to produce.

If it has an FRN handle, it will more than likely have an FRN sheath. The combination of an FRN handle and FRN sheath saves the ELUs about $100 on a model.

Hi Jerry, good to see you here. May I suggest that you also visit the othere Spyderco forum (Spyderco.com), I'm sure they would love to chat with you.

Regarding reviews. It's amazing how someone can evaluate a knife by a 30 second "inspection" or better still, by "looking at a picture". It's not really a review, just their opinion on what "they like". You have certainly paid the dues and have the background to know what does the job well of not. You would think that a review would include a few hours of testing and useage.

sal

 

[Guyon]

Thanks Guyon. I hope you like it should you decide to get one.

One of the reasons I was hanging out here was because of that Shot Show review. I'd read that elsewhere and the first line is like nails on a blackboard for me.

While it's true I often make large knives, I also make small knives and have probably made fewer than 10 blades with thick steel in my entire career and half those were swods. In truth, I've always prided myself on making large knives that were much lighter than you'd expect. That same is true of these knives which are lighter than most such knives of their size.

I also think I can safely say the "loves" outnumber the "hates" by a pretty good margin with respect to my handles...

In any case, I'm glad you like what you see. If you get one, I'd welcome your feedback.

I read that review with a grain of salt and cut and pasted it mainly because it had all the relevant specs for the four knives. Some folks have publication deadlines and they want to come across as critical, so they try to generate tension where there is none.

Yeah, I wondered about the the "massive knives" line after visiting your site. The knives there are hardly massive. Only the top knife in the pic here is one I would consider to be "big" (not massive), and the rest are well... smaller.

The handles look nicely contoured and well-thought-out to me. Maybe the reviewer had little woman hands? Not that it matters to me... The Forester is now on the I'm buying it when it comes out list. Still deciding on one or more of the other ones. As you can tell from the next picture, I sort of like big choppers. It'll be nice to add a Spyderco and a new steel to the lineup.

 

[Jerry Hossom]

"so they try to generate tension where there is none"

"Tension" is a good word to use in that context.

You do have a pretty good selection of choppers there. Hopefully there's room on that mat for a couple more.

Sal, thanks for the welcome. I stop by your site often, but I sometimes have to beat a hasty retreat when I'm asked how thick the liners are on these. Being a forum junkie myself, I've grown accustomed to having knives judged solely by two dimensional images that reveal nothing of a knife's more important attributes, like weight, balance, feel, handling, cutting ability, etc., etc. Fortunately, on the forums we can discuss these things - amend and clarify as warranted. In editorials and review articles unfortunately, the words are cast in stone as soon as they hit the enter key and no amount of screaming and foot stompling is likely to change them.

 

[Jerry Hossom]

One of the specs that was asked about was thickness. The steel on the three largest is 5mm, 0.200". The Dayhiker is 4mm, 0.160".

There are a couple finish issues on these knives that are not commonly found on factry blades. The spine on all the blades is completely radiused for strength (no outside angles that can form cracks) and for comfort if you use your other hand to assist in a cut. It accepts batonning quite comfortably.

The second and perhaps most significant for a knife of this type is the fully convex edge which is nearly identical to those I use on all my custom blades. This edge is durable, wears well, and very efficient for chopping materials like wood in addition to normal cutting tasks.

Lots of intangibles that are not seen in most factory blades. Spyderco has done an amazing job in capturing what I do with my custom knives. What has impressed me most is their willingness to go along with the custom features, despite the costs and risk of stepping outside the normal production box and do something to raise the bar in how such knives are made.

Now, I reckon I've hijacked this H1 thread more than enough. Sorry for the distraction. I'd be happy to address any additional questions in a new thread on the subject. Thanks for your patience.

 

[Guyon]

Hijack? No way. I'm the one that veered it off into Hossom territory.

Very nice to have you commenting on these blades in person.

You're right. What we need is a new thread about the Hossom-Spyderco collaboration blades. I'll start that thread and cut and paste your comments above.

Slightly over 3/16" sounds even better. :thumbup: