AO belts uneven finish

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Hey everyone

I grind my blades on a flat platen with a 60 and 80 grit ceramic belt, but when I try to use a 220 or 320 grit aluminum oxide belt I get all sorts of weird angles and bumbs on my blade.
Maybe it has something to do with the connection between the ends of the belt?
I could really find anything on Google so I was hoping someone knew how to solve this?

Thanks in advance
Casper
 
it would help us diagnose the problem if you could post a photo. i assume you meant bumps and weird angles, do you mean like facets on an indian arrowhead ? if so, there is the possibility the finer belts are showing the facets cut by the earlier grits.
 
I tried but it's hard to get it on camera. I use a jig, but sometimes, when using these ao belts, the blade bounces a little.
And yes it actually looks a bit like the facets on the arrowhead, although not nearly as extreme.
 
I suspect the belt joint on the finer grits since the abrasive on the 60/80 is not causing the same bounce. Try knocking the joint splice down with a piece of grinder stone or other abrasive.
 
You could try going to 120 grit ceramic and then switching to 3M "gator" belts for finishing. They are better at producing a nice smooth finish.
 
What do you mean by knocking the joint splice down? Could you explain that please?
And will the gator belts not bounce as much?
 
If you hold the belt between your fingers and run them over the splice you will feel the difference in thickness at the splice so on the abrasive side of the belt just smooth the splice down which will remove some of the abrasive but will remove most of the hump.
 
Could be worth trying a different brand of belt as well. Some splices are a lot lumpier than others.
Klingspor typically has a fairly flat splice. Some Hermes belts are nearly unusable apart from on a soft contact wheel they bounce so much
 
Another thought is to check Belt Tension I know that can also be an issue which might cause the blade to jump when applying pressure.
 
That would be worth looking at.
Also be worth checking the platten. I've had a worn platten make for some rather terrible looking grinds.
 
The biggest issue, with higher grit belts, if they're flexible belts (J-Flexes) especially, isn't, as is commonly vilified; the splice, but rather, the cupping of the belt against the platen, which is caused by the flexibility of the belt, and the contours of the tracking and drive wheels. This is less of a problem on Bader and Wuertz grinders due to the shape of those wheels on those grinders, although that comes at a price of wheel tracking in many cases with the Bader grinders, although the TW90 has really excellent tracking and belt lay.


What's typically happening, is the belt, doesn't ride flat across the platen, and you're not putting enough pressure on the blade when grinding to force it completely flat against it. A soft backer can help mitigate the appearance of this, but it will also put you further and further out of flat, the more you grind with it. Not a big deal if you're doing belt finishes, but when you go to hand sand for satin finish with a stiff backer, you'll quickly realize how you're not riding across the entire blade because it's slightly convex. Many compensate for this using a softer backed sanding stick, but ultimately this'll show up in the lack of crips lines, and more subtle things the eye will notice, even if it cant quantify.

I often buy stiff Y weight belts at 220 and 400 grit, because when grinding really thin highly tapered little slipjoint blades or pairing knives, it's difficult to put huge pressure on them when refining at high grit, and doing so can actually cause a reverse problem of flexing the pressure point into the blade, when it's really flexible.

For thicker blades however, just put more pressure when you're making passes. However if you get the plunge tops too high, even with adequate pressure, you can see some cut-out above this spot where the belt is trying to resume it's shape somewhat, especially with really high belt tension.


On the other hand, if you're just noticing wierd facets at higher grit, it's probably a combination of technique and belt wear. Keep in mind, these higher grit belts are there for "removing" metal at any significant rate or for long, 3-4 passes per side is about the max of a 400 grit belt with steel IMO, before it's dull. I try to shoot for 2 passes per side, if that doesn't get it refined to that grit, then I didn't get it right in the previous grit. You need to be 90%+ at your coursest grit, 98% by the time you're done with 120 grit IMO, then it's just taking the finish higher and working out minor spot details like plunge angle etc.


Personally, while I find belt wobble or splice bump annoying, it shouldn't affect your results once you're comfortable and confident grinding. In fairness, a really bad wobble at course grit can cause you some issues in the plunges, but I tend to stay out of there at my coursest grit anyway. I like to push them with an 80 or 120 X or Y weight ceramic, get them exactly where I need them, then stay out of them entirely until I refine them at higher grit. I do not do, or like the swooped plunge effect however, and I don't make very thick knives typically.
 
First of all, thanks to all of you!
Second, the platen does indeed not look al that good, I'll post a picture tomorow.
It is a new machine from ebay and it whas not that expensive, I'm quite happy with it so far but the platen is indeed a bit rough...
Can I fix this by myself with some simple tools or should I mount another platen?
 
I don't know how to upload a picture :-(
Anyway, thanks a lot for al your advice, I might try that glass platen.
Thanks!
 
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