AP Limited project...

I for one would really like to see this knife project Andy is proposing take off and be a reality... But it won't be if we can't come to a majority decision on the knife design. Let's do this in steps and start of really simple. What handle material do you guys want on the Busse?

My personal opinion... I don't want any kind of specialized wood or bone or anything like that. To me, that stuff simply doesn't say "Busse" to me. Busse knives are meant to be used and used hard. They aren't shelf display pieces. I really like the cord wrapped handles I have seen in some of the pictures of older Busse models. They look really cool and would make a good user.

Second Step: What blade size and type are you interested in for the project?

Personally, I would like to see a fighter in the 8 inch range, preforably with a modified spear point or tanto point. This would set it off from other Busse models, yes still be a hard worker for any chore you want to do.

3rd step: Blade Finish?

I would personally prefer to see a stain finish on these blades. Even on a user knife, I don't like to see big worn chunks of black coating. If the knife is going to have scratches and marks, at least let them blend in with the blade.

4th step: Blade Markings?

I know Busse knives are in general sterile and free of all markings. With this being an AP Limitied exclusive knife, I would like to see some form of Andy's mark on these knives. SOmething such as:
AP Limited
"Knife Name" No.___
To me, that also sets the knife off as different while giving credit to Andy for making this project a reality.

Personl Question to Andy: With this knife being a serial numbered series, will the person who initially buys the first year's AP limited exclusive have first shot at that same serial number the next year? Say I had Number 70. WOuld I get first shot at Number 70 the next year, or would it be first come first serve? Thanks a lot.

I'm begging everyone, let's get a design rolling and make this project a reality. I think it would be a great thing for Busse fans and collectors.
 
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Andy, Jerry, Jeremy, and fellow enthusiasts...

If you're going to make a collector piece, make it a collector piece...

Busses earned their reputation by being tough, but they aren't pretty. I don't think they were ever meant to be pretty. However, if I'm going to spend $600, $700, or $1000 on a limited edition collector knife, I'm not going to use it to clear out underbrush at my campsite or carve tent pegs. Further, this collector piece ought to be something that stands out in a display case and is instantly recognizable not only as a Busse, but as a Busse collectible.

Firearms manufacturers often sell limited edition collector pieces as well, which are usually just a version of an existing model with certain embelishments like an engraved barrel or scrimshawed ivory grips. I think a similar approach would make sense for a collector's edition Busse model.

In Andy's original post, most respondents including myself seemed to favor a fighter, and the early consensus calls for a 6-8" blade of INFI steel, perhaps with a double-edge (my personal preference would be for a persian style fighter). Staying true to form, I feel the knife should feature all the characteristics that have become the trademark of Busse combat (i.e. talon hole in the guard), but also include and element of artistic expression. In other words, I would like this one to be "pretty."

For embellishments, my personal preference would be a for stabilized wood handles, perhaps a cottonwood burl or birdseye maple. I would also like to see a tang stamp, serial number, and perhaps some filework or engraving.

...my 3 cents...

-Derrick

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I like this thread and have thoughts to add, but I will right after Blade...in the meantime, I would love to see some more posts here.

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Well, here's my opinion.

I think Busse should make a finger razor type knife similar to the PBC at http://www.szaboinc.com Perhaps a type of small 3/16 skeleton box cutter w/ a 1" blade.

A small unstoppable knife for the housewife or warehouse worker.
 
So many recommendations.All 5/5.
Had my say, so I say now whatever is decided on (your decision Andy) is a winner in my book.

Press on Andy.

Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.

Rick
 
Here's another idea...

There's no question that a Busse fighter, whether limited edition or full production run, would be met with considerable demand, so why not extend this idea to include plans for an entirely new model? I hope I'm not getting carried away with this idea, but I would love the idea of owning a fancy, engraved, limited first edition of a brand new line of Busse fighters (which would soon come to be recognized as the finest, toughest fighting knives ever produced
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Fellow Busse owners, please share your thoughts. The more posts on this thread, the better. Let the people speak
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- Andy and Jerry will surely listen!

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Yes I definitely would go for a fighter also, truthfully I would be interested in anything that isn't a tanto. I know there are some great variants out there maybe something similar to one of those. A variant of a variant(V2-variant squared). I also would be interested in that Busse Bowie that Andy posted a picture of a while back
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check out this thread for a few variants (including that Bowie)http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum39/HTML/000279.html
Eric

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I have to agree with some of what Jeremy says.

Cord wrapped, awesome...but already on the Apache...so, let's go w/ micarta (in different color)
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Smooth profile (like existing knives), no finger cut outs.

Maybe a different style crusher pommel
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6-7 inch w/ false edge. .25" thick of course.

Not a big fan of tantos.

Satin finish excellent.

Blade markings...let's see.
BP01 (Busse/Prisco & year of manufacture)no individual #.

or, BP1...BP297...BP298...BP299...BP300 (Busse/Prisco+ # of knife in series)

or, BAD MOTHERF*^#!% (just like the wallet says)

or, call it the PRISCO KID (just kidding
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how about: a knife naming contest!!!...ok, nevermind, too stressfull.




 
While the fighter idea is a good one, and certainly well within the range Busse Knives current puplic offerings, I'm personally not a member of any military unit, nor do I practice any knife wielding martial art. I do however camp, hunt and fish regularly and would love to have a Busse INFI blade that is made specifically for these tasks...something that would no doubt compliment my Battle Mistress and Mean Street, yet be a little less overbuilt.(That was NOT meant disparagingly!!)
Wouldn't you agree that this would be a huge departure from the Busse status quo? There is no doubt that if Jerry set his mind to it, the result would be phenomenally constructed bird/trout/hunter/skinner/camp gem. I'd love to see his take on a Woodcraft design; moreover, what would be so bad to have stag scales, or highly figured wood, or *Gasp* leather stacked washers?
Oh well, I guess that's why they make vanilla and chocolate ice cream.

Screwtape
 
BTTT...
...just curious to hear your thoughts Andy. Any news, updates, developments, or opinions you could share?



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This has been an encouraging thread, so let me say thanks to Jeremy for getting it started and thanks to all those who have contributed....more thoughts from other folks would be appreciated.

At this point, the Apache IS going to be made...when, I don't exactly know, but as fare as I am concerned, I can move a few hundred of them relatively easily...the kydex cascading sheath idea seems to have been well received also.

I have decided that the first limited project knife, by all counts at this point, WILL BE A FIGHTER!!! This will not eclipse the idea of a production grade fighter from Busse Combat's standard line, but will be a truly custom piece with collectible value, beauty, and utility.

I also agree with the comment that was made about higher prices recruiting higher finishing quality. The limited knives are planned to be immaculate, with satin finishes, laser etching of Busse Combat's logo and my company's name, serial numbers,
and a commitment to destroy any unsold inventory if it is not sold in the model year. Fred Bear did this with certain collectible bows and it is a principle which seems to catapult the value of an owned piece shortly after it is in the hands of the customer.

I will leave the details of the design to the master himself, Jerry Busse. His experience has been invaluable in the guidance of my growing business, and let me say thanks to him publicly. By sharing his experience with me, I feel that I was spared many of the problems that new companies face in this industry.


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Sharper Instinct, LLC
Phone: 1-201-493-2469
Orders-Toll Free: 1-877-557-5200
Fax: 1-201-493-2039
Visa & Mastercard Accepted

Authorized Dealers:
Busse Combat Knives and Big East Traditional Bows

Professional Shooting Svcs: Corporate Training and Stress Mgmt.

Busse Combat Variant Temp. HQ http://home.earthlink.net/~gregrnamin/andy/sharper.htm

Sharper Instinct Website www.sharperinstinct.com
 
Hi Andy,
Here's what I'd like to see as the limited edition Andy Prisco - Busse Combat knife: the same kind of blade style that Aubrey bought from you in this picture:
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but no spine edge or a blade catcher, but with the E series handle. That would be a beauty, IMHO.

-Greg



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Good choice...was thinking along those lines myself.

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Sharper Instinct, LLC
Phone: 1-201-493-2469
Orders-Toll Free: 1-877-557-5200
Fax: 1-201-493-2039
Visa & Mastercard Accepted

Authorized Dealers:
Busse Combat Knives and Big East Traditional Bows

Professional Shooting Svcs: Corporate Training and Stress Mgmt.

Busse Combat Variant Temp. HQ http://home.earthlink.net/~gregrnamin/andy/sharper.htm

Sharper Instinct Website www.sharperinstinct.com
 
Guys I think the fighter Idea is a little unrealistic. I mean c'mon how often do you get into knife fights these days? Sure it's cool and we all love to think about what we would do to some other guy with our Busses but lets face it... you kill a guy with your Busse the Police are gonna take it as evidence and your going to jail shortly there after. Busse knives are workers not fighters. I would love to see a Battle mistress type knife with a 12 to 13 inch blade. I mean what couldn't a guy chop down with that? Maybe even give it a bolo shape for real chopping. I think a satin finish would look great or even bead blasted. And perhaps some decorative Micarta handle scales. Yup that would be an awesome knife that would make short work of any chore.

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Actually Ryu, I asked Andy about getting a beauty like you just aquired and it sounded like a tough order to fill...so yeah, I thought a fighter would be cool UNTIL I saw the picture of Aubreys blade Greg just put up
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I don't know what it is about bolo style blades, but I'm really itching to get one now.
 
Strabs...
I know what you mean! I love my Bolo. Though it's so pretty I don't wanna chop with it. But I bet it would cut through anything. Hey Andy maybe a production Busse Bolo is in order now.

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I'd like to put my vote in for a Bird/Trout/Hunting knife with a thinner blade.
Thanks,
 
Ryu,
I really like the idea of a 12-13 inch chopper, but my only reservation would be that we could easily end up with a knife that would cost us a thousand dollars or more when all was said and done.

Since the idea of a hunting/skinning type knife has finally migrated its way over here from some other current threads, I have a suggestion that was inspired by previous discussions with Hoodoo and some other experienced hunters.

What about a straight handled knife dedicated to field cleaning/skinning and sporting a 4 or 4.5 inch INFI blade about 1/8th inch thick, with a fine point and general blade shape reminiscent of the Marbles Fieldcraft. Add a slight lateral handle offset (for added finger clearance while skinning) as is seen on some of the Grohmann blades, and just like that, Jerry would also be able to lay claim to building the finest, toughest and most functional hunter's knife ever created. Comments welcome.

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Bronco,

Sounds like a GREAT idea to me! Hunters would truly appreciate a thin-bladed Busse INFI hunting knife. I would love to see it and I think that a lot of other hunters and Busse fans in general would too.

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Hoodoo

And so, to all outdoor folks, the knife is the most important item of equipment.

Ellsworth Jaeger - Wildwood Wisdom
 
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