Appalled at number of counterfeit knives on eBay

[BBuser]

What amazes me about eBay is the counterfeit sellers openly say clone. Just search clone Sebenza. You'll see a Chinese copy with fake CRK paperwork and stamped Iowa Made. They're not even pretending it's real.

On the Atlantic City Boardwalk police bust stores for selling fake name brands. Ebay seems complicit here.

 

[adamlau]

...I do not have a problem with it. The only practical way to deal with this is to educate the consumer.

That ^^^ in a nutshell. As an eBayer since its inception, that is the way the Bay has always operated and is in part why their model remains successful.

 

[znapschatz]

Rip them a new one Goldenlight!

http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/...-buck-knives-americans-who-sell-them.1249369/. The point is two years into this linked to personal campaign fake buck knives do no exist on the big bay full stop.

Ignore the faker/knockoff/synchophants/defeatist/criminal enablers/do nothing crack whore gashs (you know who you are) that will not get off their axes for a righteous American rule of law under any circumstances.

A couple of years ago I could look at 200 Buck knives listed on the big bay and 100 would be counterfeit. Fakes are rare now. Individual effort made this country great. Rock on GL. You are righteous.

“Crack whore gashes” is a wee bit over the top applied to someone who recognizes the futility of a pointless crusade against this kind of counterfeiting. Your Buck knife campaign was made possible largely because Buck is trademarked and patent protected in the USA. Such protections do not exist in China, which has no reciprocal patent agreement with the USA, and eBay has no way of monitoring the bona fides of its vendors. When called to their attention, eBay responds, but minutes later, there’s the same vendor putting up the same stuff under a different ID. To make matters even more complicated, they often use the term”clone” or “homage,” so that “technically,” they are not committing fraud. In any case, prosecuting the vendors is, for all practical purposes, impossible. Consumer awareness is presently the only avenue open to counter these frauds, and even that has limits because some potential buyers simply don’t care. Many of these counterfeits are well enough made to satisfy them. Bitch and moan all you want, but reality is what it is.
BTW, when I first came across a fake Ontario RAT, I reported it to ebay and it was removed. Next day, it was back, and I am pretty sure from the language of the description, it was the same vendor.

 

[Strigoi]

Ride on, brave Don Quixote, on your flying wooden horse, and slay the evil giant named EBAY.

 

[GrReaper]

I applaud you for reporting those bastards, and if there were more people like you, a lot more people like you, it might make a difference, at least as far as ebay is concerned. It's a terrible idea to buy factory knives on ebay, unless you're buying from a trusted source. Consumers buying only from reputable dealers is the ideal solution. I might add that the consumer can avoid buying anything made in Communist China as well. Because the underlying problem is Communist China refusing to enforce intellectual property laws. Why support such a regime? Everytime you buy something made in the People's Republic of China, you're just adding to the counterfeits and b/s on ebay and everywhere else.

 

[goldie]

Theres a numnut on ebay with 2 spyderco militarys with carbon fiber aftermarket scales,hes calling them paramilitarys,asking 150 for both.Doesnt even know the right name of what fakes hes got. His other auction is for a rolex hes got 500 on it,think these knives are real ? what a joke !

 

[Lapedog]

I applaud you for reporting those bastards, and if there were more people like you, a lot more people like you, it might make a difference, at least as far as ebay is concerned. It's a terrible idea to buy factory knives on ebay, unless you're buying from a trusted source. Consumers buying only from reputable dealers is the ideal solution. I might add that the consumer can avoid buying anything made in Communist China as well. Because the underlying problem is Communist China refusing to enforce intellectual property laws. Why support such a regime? Everytime you buy something made in the People's Republic of China, you're just adding to the counterfeits and b/s on ebay and everywhere else.

Do some research or watch a documentary and you will see that because of the structuring in China no matter how hard they crack down on counterfeit factories new ones just spring up. I watched a documentary that showed that if you order like 10,000 high quality fake purses they will literally send you two chinese counterfeit workers with the purses to help with logistics.

 

[gadgetgeek]

Keep logging the fakes as you see them, its why the button is there. None of these companies want the fakes there, as it undermines their credibility. Its not out of the question that Ebay's leadership is dumb enough to take short term cash over long term reputation, but it seems unlikely to me. But to think we are the only hobby that has a fakes problem is a little near-sighted. I feel like Ebay is more worried about fake food products that could kill people than a sub-par pocket knife.

 

[WilliamCody]

For what it's worth, I reported a dealer that "took" me for a Rat 1, a while back. There are so many fakes out there that they actually "legitimize" each other by creating a false context. I just went over the the auction giant and put in a search for "Ontario rat 1", knowing now the difference, it was not until page 2 that I found a real one. That is disgusting.

The last knife I bought here, so no complaints there. Maybe I learned my lesson.

Either way, well said OP, it is appauling.

 

[spykez]

Lapedog is right. Problem is, there is nothing ebay, Spyderco or anybody else can do about it. Report to the posting site, the counterfeit Spyderco gets removed, and within minutes, the same thing gets posted on another site. China has no laws to prevent “cloning” of name brand products from other countries. Unless the products are trademarked in China, the maker has no recourse. Frustrating, but that’s the way it is.

I think there are laws. What they are exactly, I admit I am unclear. But they seem to be not enforced.

Very enlightening especially around the 4:10 onwards mark.

... The average German in WW2 considered their side righteous. Many today believe they would never participate in those atrocities. History shows otherwise.

Hehehe, took til post 16 Just found it entertaining!

 

[Jammer Six]

Do some research or watch a documentary and you will see that because of the structuring in China no matter how hard they crack down on counterfeit factories new ones just spring up. I watched a documentary that showed that if you order like 10,000 high quality fake purses they will literally send you two chinese counterfeit workers with the purses to help with logistics.

A lot of people will believe anything about the rest of the world.

 

[wensynch]

One time, a seller I noticed had been listing the same counterfeit ZT as this other vendor that had been listing pretty good fakes as real for some time. That seller listed it as totally fake, a clone, basically letting it known that it was indeed a fake from China, just like the other guys. Like in all caps.

Pretty funny. I just had to send him a message giving him props cause I thought it was a hoot.

 

[scott.livesey]

here is a link to a similar discussion that include Sal from Spyderco, http://www.cliffstamp.com/knives/forum/read.php?4,63061. part of the issue is the term and the law around counterfeits. If i say the knife i am selling is a copy and it is not identical to original, tough to prove. if I sell a knife as a Spyderco knowing it is a knockoff, i could be arrested.
on Ebay itself, they are a tough place to sell. get one or two negative feedbacks after a sale and see how long you can keep selling. If you see a counterfeit, send eBay a note and they will address it. 90%+ of the stuff I buy, other than food, comes from eBay or Amazon.

 

[KELAMA]

I don't appreciate being called defeatist, criminal enabling or a do nothing crack whore gash. Thisnissue has been raised many times and the conclusions drawn are that the best way to protect against this kind of thing is customer education. Those customers that do not care will just buy it anyway. If eBay stops listing the clones then those who do not care will simply go to alibaba.

Be careful declaring your side the righteous one. This often leads to people being hurt. The average German in WW2 considered their side righteous. Many today believe they would never participate in those atrocities. History shows otherwise.

Well I think you can at least come up with a great sig line out of this material, Lape!

And to think....that this is the first thread I've read in the GKD in quite sometime...

Two helpful word's for Ebay users: CAVEAT EMPTOR!

 

[Cutlover]

Ehhh I think I'll pass on this thread, and let you people argue over simple solutions.

 

[Archangel_Steel]

I was looking at something not at all knife related on eBay, but having done numerous searches for knives, eBay had a bunch of 'suggested items' across the bottom of the screen. One was an interesting and expensive Spyderco. I followed the link, and at the bottom of that screen were some more eBay 'suggestions'. One was the same knife I was looking at, at about 1/3 the price.

It was listed as the Spyderco knife, same exact name, Spyderco name and logo on the blade, everything. But right in the title, it said 'Chinese copy'. So I reported it eBay. In less than a half hour, I found and reported five more Spyderco knives all listed as 'Chinese copy', or 'Chinese clone'.

I can't understand how eBay let's a listing stay that says 'Chinese copy' right in the title. Of course, eBay gets their percentage.

I urge the MANY members of Blade Forums to spend a little time reporting these copyright and trademark infringing listings, My guess is they people who own the listing get their accounts cancelled by eBay. Odds are they will come back, but they will have zero feedback.

I know that we can't find and report all the counterfeit knives on eBay. Bur if several hundred different people start reporting these Chinese copies, eBay may feel forced to do something about them. Like NOT LETTING people list them.

It certainly is worth the small expenditure of time, to put a dent on the profits if these people who are committing fraud, IMHO.

In half an hour, I got six accounts closed. Lets get rid of a LOT of these accounts of these people selling Chinese counterfeit knives on eBay.

Thank you so much for your efforts to stop these frauds. eBay is rife with blades and other weapons counterfeiters from Pakistan too. They go to the artist's Pinterest and online stores, steal their photos, and then sell very poorly made counterfeit copies of them online, most often, using the artist's own photos in their listings. We have been the target of this scam.
I have had a lot of success getting eBay to remove their listings by reporting them to eBay's VeRO program. I keep finding more though, so it's like playing Whack-a-Mole.

We should have been watermarking the photos we posted over the years. Lesson learned.
Artists, protect your work!