Appology to Eric Blair

Are you going to apologize to Ferret as well? Or is it ok, because only he has called you on it so far?

Thief! :barf:
 
Robert, I think the best way you could handle this is just to do so as graciously as you can. That last little dig will probably start a Shyte storm.
 
Originally posted by RobertHankins
Just don't feel right even charging customers for something that takes less than an hour to make Start to Finish and uses less than $5 in materials.
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You really dont think before you speak do you? You feel guilty about feeling like you are overcharging your customers for work you do in a small amount of time and use a small amount of materials.Do you only feel like that with other peoples designs or any of yours too.You didnt feel guilty when you posted them.You must not have felt guilty because you made a few pairs.Strange very strange.You have tangled your self up in this one your best bet would be to lay low
 
Originally posted by RobertHankins
Just don't feel right even charging customers for something that takes less than an hour to make Start to Finish and uses less than $5 in materials.
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Robert, if this truly dictated the cost of custom knives there would be a steep reduction in price to the consumer.

There is alot more that goes into pricing than time and material. Some makers actually incorporate intelectual design into their pricing.

Guess you do not need to figure that one in, huh?
 
Robert,
What are you inventing next? Oh I know.......How about the Automatic Apology? You could just invent it and it would automatically go out to anyone that desrved an apology from you for stolen designs and all of those nasty little details. Just think of the time you would save. All that spare time left for surfing KnifeMakers Websites looking for your next new idea. Someone complains and all you have to do is hit that Automatic Apology Button and Bingo all is well in your world once more. Oh Yeah..........You can use my idea cause you need it worse than I do.

Timmer
 
Hey Timmer...great idea! I'M SORRY I think we should I'M SORRY make one for him. I'M SORRY And then I'M SORRY he wouldn't have to go through all the I'M SORRY trouble of ripping off our ideas! I'M SORRY

Crap...can't get this damn thing shut off! :eek:
 
Robert Hankins =D1ckhead


(BTW Robert, the pic is an original. I drew it. But people like you inspired it.


Picture censored -- but you're welcome to repost it in the Whine & Cheese forum. -Cougar :{)

How's that Cougar?
 
Guys, I hate to post my thoughts in two similar threads but here it goes:

What Hankins did was wrong, I believe that, most of you believe that and most importantly, Hankins now understands and believes that what he did was wrong.

So if someone were to steal your design, what steps would you take??
-Confront the Maker (Complete)
-Inform the Target Audience (Complete)
-Work to get the product off the market (Complete)
-Have the maker admit his wrong doing (Complete)
-Slander him for good measure (Complete)
-Bonus Remove him from his secondary platform of sale (Complete)

What's left to do guys?? He is on the cross and every shot has been taken. If even one of these above steps were not complete I would completely understand continuing this process. But I think this turkey is done.

For the record: I do not correspond with Hankins, nor do I own any of his knives. I DO think what he did was wrong and understand the bad blood circulating. But I think everything that should be gotten has taken place. What do you guys think. Do you just want to throw some extra slander in there to vent your frustration in this situation??

It would be totally different if Hankins was denying something or didn't admit his wrong doing, but he has. There is nothing more to do, you can't get anymore blood from a stone.:(

(Nice drawing by the way:D )
 
well frankly people telling someone off for using a design is childish in all forms (i'm 19 and can understand slander profits no one). as said he recognised what he done, tries to make an apology and gets flamed like a spanish inquisition. yeah he stole a design, but hey all designs for a knife are somewhat inspired off the next. at the moment i'm working on a liner lock based of kit carlsons designs and many other smiths have done so as well, does that mean we should have the knives we have made slandered in this way. i really hate debates about designs and i was accused of stealing designs when i posted a sword design to see what people thought when it was obviously different and i'd been working on the design months before the guy posted his sword. i ended up getting flamed to the point i had to completely re-design it when i shouldnt have to because a knife is a knife and a sword is a sword and everyone is inspired from the same souce.

question, when stone age man realise if you knap the edge of flint to get a sharper more defined edge then others started to copy that did the original smith that made that knife go and flame the other smith for making a knife with the purpose of functional use. i mean cmon, its just a knife made for a purpose (now i'm probly gonna get flamed for partially backing him up :()

Robert.B :(
 
Piling on and continuing to egg someone on, like several people in this thread have done, is incredibly low class. It must be almost instictual for some of you people to land on any convenient target, as long as the rest of the herd is doing it.

Robert Hankins apparently learned his lesson, but quite a few losers obviously have not....
 
this is what is boils down to , you do something wrong and you suffer the punishment , plain and simple.

So now there is a timeframe for when someone ROYALLY screws up " OK he screwed up big time but you only have 24 hours to make him feel sorry for it ".

Gimme a break. You steal someones design and copy it down to the last detail , that is not the way a knifemaker should conduct his business , and any knifemaker that feels this is OK won't be getting any of my business.

The part that is funny to me is , he posted a bunch of stuff over on USN , however there is no posting of him trying to sell this " design " there . No why is that ? Yup tried to hide it .

This doesnt need to be a pissing war between the 2 forums , it has nothing to do with that . It has to do with one person ripping off another - plain and simple. To argue that knives have been around forever and this has been done , that has been done is bogus .

If you can't see the point of this whole issue then perhaps your morals are not as high as everyone elses.
 
the45guy, I understand the frustration, I am just trying to figure out what else can be done to make this known. I think at this point slander may only invoke sympathy from some. Would your recommendation be that the slander continue for another set period of time?? I don't really mind, after what has been said, I am sure Hankins does mind either. So if that will help vent the frustration, have at it :)
 
not at all sir.
I am just saying that just because he made his apology and retracted his post doesn't automatically make him " a respected knifemaker " all of a sudden.
Like the ol saying goes , don't do the crime if you can't do the time .
While I do not feel a need to slam him over and over and keep this thread alive for 50 pages , I do not think he should be forgiven so quickly .
Speaking for myself , I will never purchase something from him no matter what the price or how nice a design .

Have a great weekend.
 
I understand what your saying, I think that he has lost allot creditability and I guarantee this has tarnished his reputation throughout the knife world.
 
Originally posted by TheBadGuy
I understand what your saying, I think that he has lost allot creditability and I guarantee this has tarnished his reputation throughout the knife world.
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I doubt this since it is only a very small percentage of the knife community that even knows that BladeForums exists. This has definitely not been Roberts finest hour and it will most assuredly hurt his reputation here. I am not about to write Robert off as a maker because of what has happened here, but I will be watching to see how he handles himself in the future. Everyone deserves the chance to make up for the mistakes they make, but a person only deserves so many chances.
 
WOW! I'm away for 2 days and I miss all this.:)

I won a knife from Robert, and recently I bought an Iron Mistress Style bowie from him (I asked him to make it so don't be calling it a rip off). Anyway, from the e-mails we've sent back and forth regarding the Moxie fighter and the Mistress I can honestly say that I think Robert is a good guy. In this case he did something stupid. Even good guys do stupid things every now and then.

Kieth says that only a small percentage of the knife community knows that BFC exists. I agree, but I'd say that a huge percentage of Robert's customers come from here.

Robert has been called names and has had his reputation shot for what he did. He has apologized for what he did and as far as I know gave refunds to the people that bought the chop sticks. What the **** else is he supposed to do? I can understand that an apology doesn't automatically make him OK again, but if Eric Blair isn't going off on him anymore, why should y'all be. Sticking up for a friend is honorable, but spitting on a guys face when he's already down isn't.

If anyone has a problem with me feel free to say so and if you must, you can talk **** to me too. Just make sure that you'll be able to say the same thing to me in person because I swear to God I will.
 
... I would afraid of living in this country. All you guys probably own a lot of knives... and probably some guns, too. I would hazard the thought of seeing you all settle this in person with each other. *shudder* Better a war of words than the alternative. *eek*
 
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