Archers please help.

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Hello everybody, I know this is a knife forum and all but...

My girlfriend (me too...eventually) is looking into archery and would like to know where to start. She mentioned that she really liked the look of the traditional wooden bows, and showed a fair amount of distaste for the plastic/whatever bows with the pulleys, sights, and whatever other gizmos they put on them.

So what can you tell me? Anywhere I should be looking? Are there any great books that will tel us everything we need to know? Is there a be-all-end-all traditional bow for beginners? Anything to help us would be great...we know pretty much nothing on the subject, but we're quite eager to learn!

Thank you everybody!
Matt.
 
Cooper - there are entire books on the subject. I will try to hit some of the basics. Probably the easiest way to get started is to go to an archery range or a pro shop. Typically indoor ranges have a pro shop (that's where they make their money). Many pro shops have a shop range.

You need to know some of the basic verbiage. Your GF is interested in traditional archery. A bow with gears, cams, pulleys, etc. is called a compound bow. She is going to need a bow, arrows, an armguard and either a finger tab or a glove. She should consider some type of quiver as well. String silencers and string wax are nice to have but not essential.

Traditional bows are either recurve or longbows. However, there are hybrid longbows called "reflex/deflex longbows." Let's not worry about that for now.

To start, a recurve is generally considered more forgiving and easier to learn with than a longbow. However, this is not true for everyone. By renting equipment at a range or trying out a lot of equipment at a pro shop, you can see what bow is best for you. Your GF should be tested for eye dominance for a general indication of whether she will be shooting leftie or rightie.

Most beginner traditional bows are made overseas :( However, once your GF gets good enough for an intermediate or advanced bow, there are a lot of great custom bow makers here in the states :D

Bows are measured by length and draw weight. Length is not so important. With a modern bow, anything over 60 inches should work just fine. Draw weight is critical. The most common mistake for a beginner is to get too heavy of a draw weight. There is a lot of confusion here because compound bows have a mechanical advantage, once you muscle the string past the break point, you are able to hold it at a very light draw weight. As a result, people tend to get steered towards very heavy bows. For women especially, I recommend a bow no heavier than 25 lbs. to start.

For specific recommendations, I would start with a take down recurve, 62 inches and a 20 or 25 lb draw weight. Take downs have interchangeable limbs so you can get a heavier bow by swapping out the limbs and keeping the grip that you are used to.

There are 3 theories on aiming a traditional bow. If she is going to shoot Olympic style, she can just get a sight. If she is going to shoot traditional style, then it is instinctive or gap. I will not try to explain the difference here. When I teach instinctive I explain that it is like throwing a ball, both eyes are open and on the target. Don't try to line up the point of the arrow with the target, rather rely on your instincts and muscle memory. Start close to the target, but not so close that the arrow cannot recover from paradox. Ten yards is ideal for a new archer.

It is critical to have a consistent anchor point. Pull back the string so that some part of the drawing hand touches some part of the face. Don't pluck the string on release, just open the fingers. Easier said than done!!!

Shoot a lot of arrows. Practice is everything.

Carbon arrows are very durable and accurate, but expensive. Aluminum is accurate and less expensive but they are difficult to find. Wood is cool but does not last long and not very accurate at all. Arrows must be matched to the bow by an experienced archer. There is a lot to tuning arrows. I have spent hours in the shop, getting my arrow specs. down.

To give a personal example, I started archery in my early 50's which is very late in life. I was out of shape and could barely pull a 20 lb. bow when I started. I kept at it and shot a lot of arrows. I started to improve and built up to a 40 lb. bow, which is where I will remain. (I do not hunt.) I shot a longbow for a while and then bought a custom recurve. I make my own wooden arrows using specs. from a pro shop. My wife and I teach archery at our local rec. center and I am a volunteer instructor at our local archery club. We have started adding slingshots (Trumark "wrist rockets") and paintballs for our archery kids. They are a great way to introduce archery basics and to build up some muscles for form.

It is a great sport. Stick with it. Ask a lot of questions. Have fun.

Here are some links:

www.stickbow.com - great forum
www.3riversarchery.com - everything traditional
www.slingshotsusa.com - if you want to try a slingshot

Let me know if I can help you with other questions.
 
Matt,

I just googled the following:

"archery range east bay CA"

I do not know much about CA geography but it looks like there are some ranges in your area. Start there. All you need to know is to say that you are both beginners interested in traditional archery.

Good luck
 
I would suggest finding a local Archery shop that has a range and they will teach you, show you everything (and sell you); great folks to meet.
 
Thanks MT Bull that is a wealth of information that is greatly appreciated. I wouldn't be opposed to buying whole books on the subject, would you recommend any?

I will take her to a range/shop. Thanks for giving my some terminology so I'm not completely lost when I get there:).

Anybody recommend any good shops in the Bay area?

Thanks,
Matt
 
find out what you want and hit graigs list and pawn shops i got a very nice browning compound bow with extras for 90.0 at a pawn shop in coos bay or.
 
I would like to disagree with the 'wooden arrows are not very accurate' post above. Honestly, if she wants a stick bow (recurve or long bow) I would recommend wooden arrows. Tuning them is not tough (a little steam and some practice) and they are cheap and very tactile.

I learned shooting by the Howard Hill method and loved to shoot cedar arrows. I could knock another guys arrows all day long. Sure - they are not as accurate as overdrawn, carbon fibre out of a 85% let off bow - but at that point - why not shoot a gun?

They shot wooden arrows for thousands of years for a reason.

TF
 
I would like to disagree with the 'wooden arrows are not very accurate' post above. Honestly, if she wants a stick bow (recurve or long bow) I would recommend wooden arrows. Tuning them is not tough (a little steam and some practice) and they are cheap and very tactile.

I learned shooting by the Howard Hill method and loved to shoot cedar arrows. I could knock another guys arrows all day long. Sure - they are not as accurate as overdrawn, carbon fibre out of a 85% let off bow - but at that point - why not shoot a gun?

They shot wooden arrows for thousands of years for a reason.

TF

cooper-- how goes it...

it seems that MT Bull has summed up a lot of the basic questions you might have...

i am however going to have to agree with Talfuchre on the wooden arrows... :thumbup:
if you folks are going to be using traditional bows at all, i definately would recommend wooden arrows.... i have been a traditioanal archer/bowhunter for many years, i shoot nothing but wood arrows... i tune them and make them myself... they are plenty accurate and have been used since the early years of man.... also bending, losing and breaking arrows is all part of archery...

there are a few really good books out there on the subject of traditional archery... you should look into the traditional bowhunters handbook by T.J Conrads... T.J. is the founder/editor of Traditional Bowhunter magazine, which is great read... the book is available through they're site www.tradbow.com or http://74.200.200.178/products/item44.cfm this book is filled with all sorts of valuble info. for archers of all skill levels...

G.Fred Asbells instinctive shooting books are a must read as well..
www.3riversarchery.com is a good place to start for all things traditional archery...

www.stickbow.com
www.paleoplanet.com

there are quire a few ranges and shops in the area... check them out..
www.archeryonly.net is a cool shop in newark.. i have a bowyer friend that works there.. he also does lessons.. his name is Willy Abbott.. his bows are bad a$$...
www.pacificaarchery.com great shop in pacifica
www.bhuarchers.org is one of the clubs i belong to, great folks.. they're very active.. they put on shoots regularly...it's located outside the stevens creek res.

also feel free to drop me a line if you have any questions...

mike
 
I'm doing well thanks Mike,

The local info you gave me is great and the offer for me to drop you a line sometime is very generous, I will definitely check out that shop in Pacifica sometime soon, and order the traditional bowhunters bible today.

There was always an appeal to the wooden arrows, and if they're cheaper I might have to go that route anyway:o

Thanks everybody,
Matt
 
Don't get me wrong, wood arrows are the best. However, they can be frustrating at first and require some amount of time and understanding to get them right. The are not as forgiving as carbon or aluminum. For beginners, I recommend 6 carbon or aluminum. As you improve, your bow dynamics will change. Carbon and aluminum will cover a wider range of bow dynamics. Woods have to tuned within a fairly narrow range. Once your form settles in, learn to make wood arrows. It is pretty simple (even I can do it) and there is nothing like shooting your own wooden arrows.

As far as books:

There is a guy that hangs out on the Leatherwall forum who goes by the handle Viper. He knows a lot about traditional archery and wrote a book that includes Olympic and target archery. I have not read it but it received a lot of good reviews. If it is anything like what he posts it should be excellent. Here is the link:

http://www.shootingthestickbow.com/

Brian Sorrels, another Leatherwall guy wrote "Beginners Guide to Traditional Archery." His book is more hunting oriented and also well received.

G. Fred Asbell's techniques work for some people but not for everyone. I am not a big G. Fred fan but that is a personal opinion. I prefer to teach beginners a more upright, Olympic style stance to start. You can add a hunting stance afterwards. It is a function of what you want to do with archery.

There are some clubs and ranges near you. That is the best place to learn. You are lucky to have them. We had 2 indoor ranges close in the same month here in Denver.

Have fun, you are off to good start. Shoot safe!
 
hey cooper. well it depends on where you live in the east bay I guess, there is an outdoor range near the chabot space and science center off of highway 13. mtnfolk mike said it well. archery only in newark is a great place to start with some gear. there is a guy named willey abbot there that makes trad bows. they also have some for sale. as far as arrows go, you might want to find a bow first. you match the arrows to the bow. if you are just starting a 40-45 pound bow will do great. my girlfriend shoots 35 pounds on her recurve. I would suggest getting some cedar arrows to start with. You are going to break and lose a lot of arrows at first.
you also should look up bowhunters unlimited. that is the archery club mike and I belong too. we are the biggest trad archery club in the bay area. we also have a ton of great people that are willing to help you out. if you have any questions you can message me and we can talk on the phone. I live in san jose and work in fremont.
 
Do yourself a favor and go down to archery only and get a lesson from Willey, like Mike and Boomstick already stated.

P.S. Mtnfolk Mike and Boomstick are the guys to talk to about traditional archery, and they are kinda local.
 
Do yourself a favor and go down to archery only and get a lesson from Willey, like Mike and Boomstick already stated.

P.S. Mtnfolk Mike and Boomstick are the guys to talk to about traditional archery, and they are kinda local.

we are trying to get stingray to start shooting also..
 
we are trying to get stingray to start shooting also..

Speaking of shooting, when are we gonna get together and shoot?

I think I need to put in a big hint to the wife for a christmas present...:D

P.S. Get off the computer and answer your phone!:p
 
Hey Guys!
I'm the girlfriend in question here.
Thanks for all the fantastic advice, and I can't wait to get started. As with a lot of internet research, there are so many places to go it's easy to get lost in a sea if info. At least I now have an idea of where to start, and of which direction I'd like to head towards. In fact, we're just about to head down to archery only!
I'm pleased to hear that there's so much local interest, generally and on BF. I will definitely look into bowhunters unlimited. Don't be surprised if you hear from either of the two of us soon.
Cheers!
Kate
 
Hey Kate & Matt - Welcome. As you are brand new to archery, NOW is the time to develop good form and disciplines. Our natural tendancy is to "just shoot a bunch of arrows" and assume that with quantity will come proficiency. This is not the case. As the saying goes, it isn't "practice makes perfect" but rather "perfect practice makes perfect." It is really easy to learn a lot of bad habits in the beginning and can be a real pain unlearning them. (Don't ask me how I know...) It's just as easy to learn how to shoot properly as it is to randomly fling arrows.

You're gonna love archery!

-- FLIX
 
The gear does not need to be expensive.

I've made my own bows and arrows and I've had a heap of fun. Any old bow can fling an arrow, but if you want to achieve accuracy get/make good arrows.

Before I made my own, I just had a cheap solid fiberglass bow. It was just fine ..... consistent and virtually impossible to damage in normal use.... totally unaffected by the weather.

There must be a heap of unused archery gear sitting around in folks garages.

Have fun. best wishes from New Zealand.... Coote.
 
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