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Hey All,

I have never left a review like this before, but the actions of one forum individual deserve full and disctinct disclosure in this respect. I am utterly astounded by the actions and the way in which I was responded to:

Member: arden.ferris
Deal: Trade
Member Status: Gold

Well to put a long story short, I was sent a message offering to make a trade deal for one DDR Custom that I had up for sale from arden.ferris and was happy to figure out a happy trade. After a long time of negotiating back and forth, I was finally happy with the trade deal, and we submitted it. I will admit to my fault in this area that I neglected to ship right away as I kept missing the bloody post office. I then had to pay a friend to shipping it out for me but then did not mind doing so as I will do what I have to keep my end on a deal. I shipped it out with insurance and had not heard from Arden until after he had received it and learned that he had not had a chance to send out the knife, not a big deal as there was no harm done. Then he sends me an email explaining that he no longer wants the deal after handling the knife as he prefers his own knife. Anyhow, long story short, He is renegging on a trade. I am pissed for several reasons:

1) No offer to cover my additional cost to ship
2) Renegging on a deal made is Bad BUSINESS FORM

Anyhow, he is now burned in my book of people to deal with. He and anyone else is welcome to post anything here they want.
 
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Not defending anything else, but he does have the right to reverse a trade. You would have too, had you received his knife and not liked it.
 
Very solid point, But he knew exactly what he was getting, saw plenty of photos and turned down purchase offers and also paid someone to ship that shit out as I was taking to long to ship it out. Thus, I was and am disappointed in his lack of follow through. I end up Stuck with the Bag, him none the worse for wear.

Anyhow, I know of several other individuals in this forum that follow through even despite not liking a trade. I have on multiple occasions followed through on a bad deal and done so because I said I would. Anyhow, I suppose I follow a different policy, everyone is allowed to have their own operating policy, Arden I am certain is a nice guy but once burned like that, Bamm, sorry no go.
 
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We need to hear from AF too. there may - or may not - be more to the story. both parties do have to be satisfied in the deal; however, I do not think some one should just "change their mind" and not at least pay for shipping. Was there an issue with the knife you sent condition wise?
 
A deal is Not Final until both parties are satisfied.


"I then had to pay a friend to shipping it out for me"

Arden.Ferris isn't responsible for that in anyway. You are responsible for shipping the item.


Do you really expect people to just suck it up and accept a less than satisfactory transaction? I won’t and I doubt anyone else would.


“he is now burned in my book of people to deal with.”

And you’ve successfully volunteered for my Ignore list- Thank You.
 
Happy to be Bud!! I wouldn't want to have to deal with you either.

braillediver said:
A deal is Not Final until both parties are satisfied.


"I then had to pay a friend to shipping it out for me"

Arden.Ferris isn't responsible for that in anyway. You are responsible for shipping the item.


Do you really expect people to just suck it up and accept a less than satisfactory transaction? I won’t and I doubt anyone else would.


“he is now burned in my book of people to deal with.”

And you’ve successfully volunteered for my Ignore list- Thank You.
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braillediver said:
A deal is Not Final until both parties are satisfied.


"I then had to pay a friend to shipping it out for me"

Arden.Ferris isn't responsible for that in anyway. You are responsible for shipping the item.


Do you really expect people to just suck it up and accept a less than satisfactory transaction? I won’t and I doubt anyone else would.


“he is now burned in my book of people to deal with.”

And you’ve successfully volunteered for my Ignore list- Thank You.
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Let's maybe cut this guy a little slack. Yes, you are right about the rule. No trade is final yada yada yada. It does seem, from reading OP post, that the knife was rejected for reasons other then condition or terms but rather because the other side played with it to some level of carry and decided that he didn't like the design/FF/etc. This is a bit dubious to me as I expect that my goods don't get any use while the trade is on-going.

Gastonknife said:
We need to hear from AF too. there may - or may not - be more to the story. both parties do have to be satisfied in the deal; however, I do not think some one should just "change their mind" and not at least pay for shipping. Was there an issue with the knife you sent condition wise?
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Yea, I think it'd be good if AF opined here.

Personally, I feel that it is my responsibility to research whatever I am getting. It's not the responsibility of the other side to effectively let me test run a knife to see if I like it; this would plain wrong (not saying that's what AF did.) I learned this lesson the hard way when I traded for a Nemesis Imp without fully understanding how small it really was.

Either way, this is a good and fair post by OP to let folks know what's going on here.
 
Even if he'd shipped his knife, gotten yours, and still wanted to undo the trade you'd have to pay shipping both ways. He would too, you'd both be out some $$$. Not justifying him not shipping at all, and I'd like to hear his side here.

For the record, I just completed a transaction with his and it went fine. After the usual stutters when he saw my address was an APO, and a day delay in shipping I got the Randall and it was fairly accurately described. The scratch on the swedge may be a bit worse than the pics showed, but it's going to look even worse after I've had it a while.
 
If he knew enough about your knife to do a trade, and wanted it, I think he should keep his word, or pay you for the shipping.

Haven't heard his side, so I'm not sure if he just "changed his mind", or if there may have been a problem with the described condition of your knife.

I'm sure he will respond, and explain his reason.
 
Wow, fried in the forum.

Ok now for the other side. We nogotiated over a number of days for a trade. I had a very nice Al Dippold Folder and he had a DDR. after going back and forth several times we settled on a straight trade. even though I was taking a loss I agreed to it. not that this has anything to do with anything. then Mr Opgenorf said he would ship right away. it took over two weeks. Mean while I wasn't two prompt myself, but in my defense I have 1 year old twin boys at home and got my hands full, but my bad. though I should have shipped right away. When I finally got the knife I just didn't like it.
Now I only do trades for fun. I get a new knife, the other guy gets a new knife and we don't spend any money. But both parties have to like the knfie they get. I have had people return knives to me. I have even had to give someone a refund cause he wasn't happy with the knife he got. and I didn't like it at all; in fact I started a thread on that deal >>

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/806241-Returns-and-refunds.

What you guys told me was "A deal is not a deal till both parties are happy" This isn't ebay so I returned the money.. When I told Mr Opgenorf that I didn't like the kinife so much and wanted to return his knife he blew a gasket. called me all kinds of bad things and basically went on a tirade. What??? I think with any knife deal there should be an inspection period and if the other guy doesn't like it, bummer, I gotta take it back. fair is fair. Look at my feedback ratings the rest are all good.

I don't really see a problem here. I just didn't like the knife, it really was't that nice. the action was week (D/A) and it doesn't even have Daryl Ralphs name on it anywhere. I guess I should not be surprised, Mr Opgenorf told me "he would burn me on every forum there is" oh well.

I feel right in what I did. the only faux pas was not shipping ASAP. But now I am glad cause my guess is I would not have gotten my knife back. Ya'all decide how you feel about this but I feel OK and did no wrong. I do not plan to respond anymore.
 
one more thing. Arden Ferris is my real name. I want people to know who I am and I don't think I have anything to hide or be ashamed of, I try to the best of my ability to always be on the up and up and do the right thing.

Thank you all for letting me be part of your forum it's a ton of fun
 
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Arden: While I agree that you are right with regard to the letter of the law (or rule in this case), I do feel that you are ethically and morally wrong in this case. Anytime there is a hard and fast rule in place there will, undoubtedly, arise grey areas or oversights. This is one such grey area.

I think we can agree that the knife that OP sent you was as described. At the least there isn't any evidence that it wasn't exactly as OP described. As such, that only leaves the possibility that you didn't like the design of the knife. That isn't OPs responsibility to fix and is solely within your purview to research. A good solution would be to pay the man his shipping costs (not the cost of having someone else take the knife to the PO). Think of it like giving up your seat to an elderly person on the bus/train/etc. Yea, there is no legal obligation to do so and you probably will go about your life just the same if you don't but its the right thing to do.

I think, as members of this community, it is incumbent of us to keep ourselves to higher standard then simply following the letter of the law and seek higher standards for our own behavior.
 
This question is addressed to ooitzoo and any others who feel like Arden should reimburse opgenorf for shipping.

If Arden had shipped his knife at the same time, and still wanted to undo the trade, do you think he still should reimburse opgenorf for shipping as well as pay his own? (Serious question, not sarcasm)
 
Hi All,

Interesting seeing the reaction a post receives and the response from arden. Attempting to paint me as a loon may not help the cause here bud. If I said something that offended you, then I apologize, but I do not recall calling you bad things. I distinctly remember saying that if you were scamming me, I would burn you on all forums known to man. I have once before dealt with a scammer and had to get the USPS fraud inspectors involved as well as a lawyer.

Firstly, I want everyone to understand that it was the fact that he did not "OFFER" in tandem with my costs. I will not accept any cash from him no matter the result of a discussion as I think that given the fact he has twins, kids are EXPENSIVE. Anyhow here are my points of contention:

Point 1: I have never in my time on this forum left a buyer or a seller unsatisfied, as can be attested to by my feedback.
Point 2: The one thing I do not abide by is renegotiations, renegging, or changing of minds after one side has followed through. Having a solid gripe about the knife not conforming to what I represent it as is completely different thought.
Point 3: Any normal person "might" have the same reaction if you had spent as much time trying to come to a trade agreement. I have 56 emails for one conversation trying to determine an appropriate trade.
Point 4: I lost time to sell the knife as a result of coming to a trade agreement, thus taking me much longer to get where I need to be.

Arden's rationale: "after handling the DDR a couple times I think I am going to back-out of the trade. It is a very nice knife but I like my Dippold better."

Long Story short, I just want the knife shipped back to me with the same method i shipped to Arden, USPS Priority with insurance and tracking. And sooner rather than later as i have already lost time with this.
 
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Arden's rationale "included" the fact that the DDR was an A/O and was weak. That's stinky if it's true since a DDR A/O is purported to have a fast A/O feature.

Was this in fact a DDR custom or an HTM DDR folder?
 
My take on these kind of deals is that if the guy gets his "new" knife in hand and it doesn't do anything for him, he has the right to reverse the trade. He shouldn't be stuck with a knife he doesn't want. However I feel that the party who wants to initiate the return should be responsible for ALL shipping fees incurred by both parties, going BOTH ways. I don't think the guy who honored his side of the deal should be out squat if he followed all the rules of the deal. Just my opinion.

ETA: I don't include paying a friend to ship it out in with "shipping fees"
 
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