Are All Yanks Stupid ****s?

I believe that ya'll are on the right track militarily with a look at the strategic differences between the North and the South. Good generalship is important in war, but the grand strategy coincides with it as well. I personally believe that Lee was a better general than Grant, although Grant was a genius at seige warfare (when he had more men). Lee also was very good at siege warfare (he was an engineer) and seige warfare actually places odds into the hands of the defender.

If one wants to examine some strategy I think that it is appropriate. The North started out with a good plan and stuck to it. Realizing that the capitals were just 100 miles from each other and that the fall of capitals may not have necessarily won the war, the North opted for the Anaconda Plan, in which Southern ports would be blockaded in the first phase. This was never effectively carried out until the latter part of the war, as the South lost port cities, the last to be bottled up was Wilmington, NC. At the same time, a separate plan was put into play to divide the South along the rivers, the Mississippi being the primary. Rivers are a natural source of highways and invasion paths, and the North used their industrial and riverine advantage quite well. The North divided the South along the Mississippi, effectively cutting off Texas and Arkansas from the rest of the Confederacy. The next stroke was to invade the heartland of the South, from which much agricultural and industrial supplies flowed. That's my state, Georgia. After the rebuff and bottling up of Rosecrans in Chattanooga, and then the break out under Grant, Georgia was invaded. Anyway....yada yada yada...it happened, and the North stuck to its grand strategy of destroying and devouring the Confederacy piecemeal.

The South had no real grand strategy, and seemed to fight the war on a tactical level. In this tactical level, they were superior in the first part of the war, indeed, the first 2.5 years. But an army invasion is not enough to cause the capitulation of a people, because this was a single army affecting a single state (Maryland in the first invasion, Pennsylvania in the second). There was no real military pressure on the other northern states to capitulate. The only chance that the South had, and did attempt, was to build military pressure during election times, as the northern people were war weary (check out some of the NYC riots). We can all make "we shoulda and we couldas", but the reality is that militarily the Southern strategy was beaten by northern strategy, and the armies by Grant, Sherman, and other commanders steadily attacking and being resupplied with more manpower, whereas the South did not have the population base to support it.

I guess the conclusion in all this is that there were several reasons why: lack of solid strategic goal by the South; lack of manpower; economics and transportation difficulties; lack of decisiveness and unity in Confederate leadership, both political and military (and I agree with the above poster, do read the Confederate Constitution) and finally, the degree of the Northern strategy of "take the war to the enemy heartland" (strange, we seem to be doing that now)

On a side note, just to throw a wrench into everything, check out "Cracker Culture" by Grady McWhiney. There are arguments out there that this was simply a carryover of an old war between the Scots-Irish and the English culture (South vs North). Comments anyone?
 
Interesting turn in this thread. The best way to rid yourself of a pest is to starve it. On a forum like this, that means not giving them the satisfaction of a response.

Also, I suppose that the study of history and the pride of the South or North, or this culture, or that ancestry is fine. GOD knows I'm proud of my ancestry and their culture and the study of history has taught us that to easily conquer a people, one only has to avert it's attention and divide it first, which is what I'm seeing happening today.

I'm thinking that WE the PEOPLE need to come together as a true people and keep a little closer eye on current events and see the direction they are taking all of us together. Because if we don't, this country and it's Constitution will get peeled like an onion in the name of a little implied safety and before you know it, we won't have security nor freedom and at that point, it's better to die a free man, than to live in fear and slavery.
 
I disagree bout Gen Lee, when a minority force seeks to invade a superior
(in numbers) country they must have a clear objective, Gettysburg was
a fiasco. With no significant resources nearby an attack on hampton roads
in force would have done much to alleviate the south's position and also may
have lead to a freeing of the merrimac. The south had no such strategic view
(and there were spies throughout the Davis regime) I believe they more had
seperate commands that were not unified. I even think that why there was
no calvary to attack the flanks. I think J. Stuart was busy raiding the union
lines. When New Orleans fell, that and the blockade pretty much sealed the
Confederate fate. Are there really still railroad ties around trees in GA?
 
Actually the Anaconda Plan wasn't really put into effect until grant was general in chief. The Anaconda plan was Winfield Scott's and Lincoln didn't want to use because that would mean that the war would drag on, and he thought it would be quick too. Grant was a good general, people say it was just because of the numbers, well he uses what he had to his advantage any good general would, and if Lee was truly better he would have beat grant. Sometimes people say that because it took the union so long to end that war was because lee was such a good general, well if you think that then you need to look more into it. Lee was actually put in command of the Army of Northern Virginia in 62. During 61-63 the union went through many commanders, mcClellan, burnside, hooker, mcdowell, and finally meade and grant. Not including that jerk Hallack. When grant opened up with the wilderness campaign that is considered by many historians the first modern campaign, world war one was similiar to it, it became a war of attrition. There were many reasons the war dragged on in te beginning, but a lot of it was just bad generaling from the generals in the army of the potomac. Like at chancellorsville, hooker could have and should have won, if he listened to hancock. There were also personnal issues involved with the csa command generals and their president, davis didn't like AS Johnston, or beaugard, he lked bragg so he put him in charge, and he sucked.

Grant was the one who finally put the anaconda plan into action, with some slight modifications. He pressed forward and kept pressing, he made the army a lot bigger, he took seige gunners from DC and turned them into infantry, and whe he suffered what seemed like a draw or a stalemate he kept pressing Lee, and trapped, cause lee was a general of manuevering nand once he was stuck he was a goner. Im a little rusty with this stuff, haven't read a 'civil war' book in a little while, I used to be really obsessed with it, now i'm into the woods.

The south wasn't really trying to cause the Union to capitulate, just to stop, Lee didn't have much of any chance of that, especially with the war in the west losing to grant. Some of the best union leaders werem grant, sheridan, sherman, reynolds, hancock, cross.
 
grant4353 said:
Actually the Anaconda Plan wasn't really put into effect until grant was general in chief. The Anaconda plan was Winfield Scott's and Lincoln didn't want to use because that would mean that the war would drag on, and he thought it would be quick too. Grant was a good general, people say it was just because of the numbers, well he uses what he had to his advantage any good general would, and if Lee was truly better he would have beat grant. Sometimes people say that because it took the union so long to end that war was because lee was such a good general, well if you think that then you need to look more into it. Lee was actually put in command of the Army of Northern Virginia in 62. During 61-63 the union went through many commanders, mcClellan, burnside, hooker, mcdowell, and finally meade and grant. Not including that jerk Hallack. When grant opened up with the wilderness campaign that is considered by many historians the first modern campaign, world war one was similiar to it, it became a war of attrition. There were many reasons the war dragged on in te beginning, but a lot of it was just bad generaling from the generals in the army of the potomac. Like at chancellorsville, hooker could have and should have won, if he listened to hancock. There were also personnal issues involved with the csa command generals and their president, davis didn't like AS Johnston, or beaugard, he lked bragg so he put him in charge, and he sucked.

Grant was the one who finally put the anaconda plan into action, with some slight modifications. He pressed forward and kept pressing, he made the army a lot bigger, he took seige gunners from DC and turned them into infantry, and whe he suffered what seemed like a draw or a stalemate he kept pressing Lee, and trapped, cause lee was a general of manuevering nand once he was stuck he was a goner. Im a little rusty with this stuff, haven't read a 'civil war' book in a little while, I used to be really obsessed with it, now i'm into the woods.

The south wasn't really trying to cause the Union to capitulate, just to stop, Lee didn't have much of any chance of that, especially with the war in the west losing to grant. Some of the best union leaders werem grant, sheridan, sherman, reynolds, hancock, cross.

Partial credit.

The so-called Anaconda Plan was put into effect from early on in the war with seizure of Confederate ports and capture of strategic positions on southern rivers. Of course, Grant earned early credit in one of those early campaigns (capture of Ft. Henry and Ft. Donaldson). The job was 99% accomplished before Grant became C-in-C of Union land forces.

Until the butchery after Grant came east, and starting when he assumed comand on the Peninsula, Lee lost a greater percentage of his forces in every battle save Fredericksburg. Moreover, casualties in field-grade officers was even more one-sided.

These outcomes made almost every Lee "victory" a defeat and followed from Lee's excessive devotion to the strategic AND tactical offensive. For example, contemporary accounts make it clear that his subordinates had to repeatedly argue him out of ATTACKING the day after his army should have been wiped out at Sharpsburg, had already been beld white, and was very low on munitions. His missteps on July 4, 1963 were merely par for the course.

Forced on the defensive, his eye for ground and decisiveness made him an excellent field commander, but it was far too late. The South had run out of manpower. Grant could do the math.
 
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