Are G10 handles waterproof?

Cliff?. . . .Cliff?. . . .Am I there?. . . errrrr. . . .I mean are "you" there? . . . (Gosh Darn it. . . I keep getting confused as to who I am . . . What is wrong with me. .. errrr. .. I mean Cliff. . . . Ughhhh. . . Whoever!!!!);)
 
Switched,

Cool man. I was just razzing Cliff. I know he didn't say anything about SEALs being silenced or anything. I was just trying to get Cliff to admit that he was largely inventing a story to give people a wrong impression about Mad Dog knives.

The fact is that there was no "military test" where a handle rusted off of a Mad Dog knife.

I believe I remember well enough the source of this rumor. It was from a single reference in an article in Fighting Knives magazine that very briefly referred to a third party reporting to have seen a single knife at a SEAL HQ in San Diego with a detatched handle. No information about how the knife was treated to result in the handle becoming detached was included in the article, and if I remember correctly, there was some question about the objectivity of the third party source who may have also been supplying knives to SEAL teams.

And you know what, if you soak about any knife in salt water for six months, smash it with a sledge hammer, or blast it with dynamite, you might have a handle problem, but who cares. Not even Cliff could get the handle off of a Mad Dog knife without sawing or grinding it off. Period.

Sorry, I respect Cliff's work to the extent that it doesn't journey into the absurd, but this spreading the same BS over and over lights me up. He can look forward to having this same conversation with me every time he does it.
 
That's assuming, Steve, something hasn't 'happened' to Cliff or Jerry or even Chewbacca for that matter - whichever incarnation is now current.

On the basis of the forgoing, I have some concerns about looking for him/it in Loch Ness. There may not be any SEAL teams left. They may decline to assist, given the colourful history. Even if we can get one, luck might then have it that they are equipped with Mad Dogs which slough off G10 at the first hint of rain etc. It goes on and on.

Of course it may turn out to be altogether different. It would be prudent I think, to put out a Worldwide APB - be on the lookout for a highly schyzophrenic individual attending Jenny Craig seminars, muttering "INFI" like a mantra and with a penchant for cutting up the carrot sticks with a Battle Mistress. Yes I realise this might result in some (further) unnecessary aggravation for Ren the Devil's Trailboss, but we'll just have to take that risk.

We'll see...


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Steve I'm as cool as Au's like to be. Anyway I certainly have no axe to grind with you. I'm in no doubt you are one of the most knowledgeable people here and respect that.

At the same time, Cliff is also someone I have a lot of respect for, as I've said before. It's more a cumulative thing than specific to this thread, but I get a bit 'lit up' myself, when I encounter what might be construed as dismissive responses to what he has to say.

It is still unclear to me what your entire basis was for the "completely false" remark, but I take your point about the "military test".
 
Where in the hell is Mad Dung Kevin McDung? I mean deranged canine?

Ya now that I am out of here I can play now. Jerry, call me bud :)
 
Mike is his own subtle way, is hinting at the fact that he had to keep quiet when he owned Bladeforums. He was at the center of two of the more flame ridden evaluations of McClungs knives, and the the start of the whole "That is not a knife it is a key." argument (you can't make this stuff up people - check the threads it is stranger than fiction). However Cougar should be blamed for the "key" label not Mike. But then again maybe Cougar and Mike are the same person.

Steve :

He can look forward to having this same conversation with me every time he does it.
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Yes, you argued I could not provide a reference, which you are correct because McClung deleted all such references and anything similar on a regular basis and attacked and encouraged attacks on anyone posting any such information. This doesn't exactly lead to confidence in the supporting argument. You could also argue for example on similar logic that the failure I had with the second TUSK was also a "rumor" because McClung still has not bothered to return it.

You also ignore the evidence of this problemon other knives, exensive rust forming under tangs, as well as the basic mechanism, which is poorly prevented by McClung's choice of a coating which is one not meant for corrosion resistance but instead wear, and as well why many other makers all use significant secondary retention systems. And of course ignore the central fact that this issue is one that no one is arguing is overly significant - it is the least problematic aspect of his knives. An extend corrosive soak on any carbon steel blade would obviously do fairly serious damage to the blade.

This "problem" was offered as an example of the extreme comparisons McClung made on a regular basis which he would present as a significant problems. For example paper and linen Micarta are more absorbant and less durable than glass based Micartas such as G10. However these differences offer G10 no functional advantages over the Micarta used in the other Tactical and Survivial knives. Yes paper and linen Micartas are more easily damaged by flame than glass based ones, however both of them are easily far more resistant than the temper of the knife. Run a torch up and down the full length of the knife until the handle catches fire and after you put the handle out try and use the knife and see how you like a partly annealed and partly full hard steel in an untempered state.

-Jerry
 
This whole thread, although intended initially to be serious, has now ventured into the realm of GREAT entertainment. This stuff is hilarious, I've been chuckling about this stuff all day! This is better than getting drunk and watching SNL. Thanks guys!

"I have soaked Micarta in gas for short periods of time, 15 minutes and lit it, as well as poured gas directly on it and lit it on fire. It does nothing significant besides make the handle warm.
-Cliff"

:D :D :D :D :D I mean, where else are you going to hear about people doing this stuff to their knives! :D :D :D
 
Originally posted by Cliff Stamp
Mike is his own subtle way, is hinting at the fact that he had to keep quiet when he owned Bladeforums.
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That is as ridiculous a thing as I have ever read.

Originally posted by Cliff Stamp
...You also ignore the evidence of this problem on other knives
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Dude, you said there was a "military test" on Mad Dog knives. Lets see it. Lets see you even recall name of somebody with a Mad Dog with rust under the handle. Otherwise just freaking admit that you have basicly fabricated the issue.

I am done with this until I read first hand accounts of it happening.

Steel knives with G-10 or Micarta handles attached with epoxy are the rule. Rust under handle scales is not an issue anywhere. You are just obfuscating the issue.

See ya!
 
Steve don't go, it's been way too long since we have had a good Maddog thread.
How about g 10 or micarta handles on a Talonite blade :)
 
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