Are Lum Chinese in ZDP considered defective?

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Hi, guys. Here is the thing: I recently listed a brand new Lum Chinese in ZDP and a forum buddy of mine informed me that he received a $200 credit from Spyderco for returning his, supposedly because they are considered defective.
Now, the last thing I want to do is sell something defective to another forum member so can someone shed some light on the problem affecting those knives? Is it the ZDP steel? I have a second one that I lightly used and could not find anything wrong with it...:confused:
 
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The only thing that I remember reading about was the screws holding the scales together were coming apart. I am not sure how prevalent this was or on which models.

You might consider sending Spyderco an email or call them.
 
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He said his was but that he believed there was a sort of recall on all of them, which I found surprising because I never heard about it.
 
Don't read too much into this. Years ago (my very first experience with Spyderco), I sent a Police in that had been abused beyond recognition. Clip gone, clip screws ground off, serrations ground off with bench grinder, tip broken. You name it. I sent it in for sharpening and possible clip installation. I was willing to pay. They sent me a brand new Police along with a letter saying the lock was defective. The lock was the ONLY dam thing that worked!!! The letter went on to say that I'd never be given this kind of leeway again and all that jazz. I didn't ask for a new knife but I resolved from that point forward to buy Spydies. For collecting, using, gifting, whatever. I wanted to pay them back for such a kind act.

Anyhoo, don't read too much into Spyderco saying something was "defective". I think it's their way of saying "here's a free knife, don't ask for another one." They are a great company. As they proved with the Bushcrafter, when something REALLY IS defective, they make it right across the board. Even though it wasn't their fault. The vendor that supposedly stabilized that wood should be "outed" in the industry. But Spyderco kept silent. Class act. :)
 
well, if you are getting $200 from Spyderco why not sending it back to them. You'll get less selling in forums right?
 
oromoto said:
well, if you are getting $200 from Spyderco why not sending it back to them. You'll get less selling in forums right?
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Just keep in mind that Spyderco sells at full MSRP, whereas most Spyderco dealers sell with a 35-45% discount. So that $200 voucher at Spyderco has the purchasing power of $110-130 street. I'd guess he could get more than that for the ZDP Lum.
 
oromoto said:
well, if you are getting $200 from Spyderco why not sending it back to them. You'll get less selling in forums right?
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First, I don't know about getting anything from them, I was told that and I am trying to verify it. I am sure I will find out on Friday by calling Charlene.
However, a $200 credit from the Factory Outlet will get you a knife with a MSRP of $200, basically $110-$120 street price. So not such a good deal.
 
I thought Spyderco has a heat treat issue with some of their ZDP models at one point in time? Was the Lum Chinese part of this?
 
Yup, the ZDP Mule had a heat-treat problem. The ZDP Lum was a sprint run, so once they sold out, Spyderco couldn't replace the knife. If he sent his in with a problem that couldn't be repaired, and no replacement was available, they would have just given him credit for the MSRP of the knife toward something else rather than send a potential law suit back to him. There was no general recall that I ever heard about, and I follow this stuff fairly closely.
 
yablanowitz said:
Yup, the ZDP Mule had a heat-treat problem. The ZDP Lum was a sprint run, so once they sold out, Spyderco couldn't replace the knife. If he sent his in with a problem that couldn't be repaired, and no replacement was available, they would have just given him credit for the MSRP of the knife toward something else rather than send a potential law suit back to him. There was no general recall that I ever heard about, and I follow this stuff fairly closely.
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Are you saying that Spyderco will not return knife to owner and will not return money as well, but offer credit to buy another knife (which also may be defective)? What if I do not want to buy anything from them especially for MSRP?

Is it how Spyderco treats Limited Edition defective knives? Another disappointment in how they do business lately.

I have ZDP Lum and it was initially really brittle - I start understand why there were some complains about ZDP brittleness, bt my oher ZDP blade were doing quite well. Fortunately I did not return it - to have his lame MSRP credit. I think in a year or so some restructuring happen it the steel or may be I sharpen off problem area - but when I tested it recently few month ago to have proves of that brittleness, it actually turns up extremely well and outperform Dozier D2 a bit, getting to first place in my list. I used it from then and did not see that chips I have first time any more.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
Are you saying that Spyderco will not return knife to owner and will not return money as well, but offer credit to buy another knife (which also may be defective)? What if I do not want to buy anything from them especially for MSRP?

Is it how Spyderco treats Limited Edition defective knives? Another disappointment in how they do business lately.

I have ZDP Lum and it was initially really brittle - I start understand why there were some complains about ZDP brittleness, bt my oher ZDP blade were doing quite well. Fortunately I did not return it - to have his lame MSRP credit.
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Spyderco's warranty is explained clearly on the box that they'll replace a defective knife with a new one, or one of equal value if that knife is no longer available. An MSRP credit of $200 for a $200 MSRP knife is perfectly reasonable.

Take your trolling elsewhere.
 
nozh2002 said:
Another disappointment in how they do business lately.

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I know we all have different opinions, but mine is that if everyone in the world conducted themselves with the same integrity we see in Sal and the folks at Spyderco, the world would be a much better place.
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Planterz said:
Spyderco's warranty is explained clearly on the box that they'll replace a defective knife with a new one, or one of equal value if that knife is no longer available. An MSRP credit of $200 for a $200 MSRP knife is perfectly reasonable.

Take your trolling elsewhere.
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+1 on the sentiment.
 
Planterz said:
Spyderco's warranty is explained clearly on the box that they'll replace a defective knife with a new one, or one of equal value if that knife is no longer available. An MSRP credit of $200 for a $200 MSRP knife is perfectly reasonable.
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Thanks to bringing it up to to my attention. I never really read those paper works and I know that Spyderco can change it anytime as it did recently when make any disassembling voiding warranty. Some time ago I had high expectation on Spyderco business practice and never bother to check actual prints.

But it is not there spelled out clearly that they will keep knife they named defective even you may not agree with that and like to keep your property. I guess I will not be sending them any knives for inspection or anything having risk not to have them back, but MSRP credit.

It is good to know. Of course I like to see official comment on that - "No return" policy.

Thanks, Vassili.

Planterz said:
Take your trolling elsewhere.
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P.S. I am asking for warranty policy clearification - I guess this is what Spyderco customers have some right to know,
because it is not what was expected and it is not printed. It is important to know that you may loose you knife if
you send it to warranty.

Labeling peoples you do not like is common Communists practice, I am surprised to see it here in a such volume.

P.P.S. I was honest and told that Bob Lum knife which initially was very brittle in time turns to my best performer.
I hope you will keep this discussion on same tone.
 
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nozh2002 said:
Thanks to bringing it up to to my attention. I never really read those paper works and I know that Spyderco can change it anytime as it did recently when make any disassembling voiding warranty. Some time ago I had high expectation on Spyderco business practice and never bother to check actual prints.

But it is not there spelled out clearly that they will keep knife they named defective even you may not agree with that and like to keep your property. I guess I will not be sending them any knives for inspection or anything having risk not to have them back, but MSRP credit.

It is good to know. Of course I like to see official comment on that - "No return" policy.

P.S. I am asking for warranty policy clearification - I guess this is what Spyderco customers have some right to know,
because it is not what was expected and it is not printed. It is important to know that you may loose you knife if
you send it to warranty.
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You don't know the story behind the OP's friend's knife. It sounds like the OP doesn't exactly know either. More likely the knife was deemed defective/unrepairable and he was given the option of having it returned or outlet store credit. I doubt Spyderco would have refused to return the knife, even at the owner's request. Again you're making assumptions based on your obvious, documented history of bias against Spyderco.

Labeling peoples you do not like is common Communists practice, I am surprised to see it here in a such volume.
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Funniest thing I've read all day.
 
Vassili, if you insist on making this about your personal thoughts about Spyderco's policies I will be forced to lock this thread.
I appreciate everybody's input, I am not planning to send this one back to Spyderco unless there is a known issue with this particular model that would make it unethical for me to sell it, even NIB.
 
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