Are nalgenes safe to drink out of?

I honestly think you should be more concerned with what is being put in or on our food :D IMO it is a much bigger risk that the low risk this seems to be.

Brian

No doubt.

I don't need a scientific test to tell me that hydrogenated oils, preservatives and artificial flavors will kill you long before you get sick from drinking water out of a Nalgene.

It's just like the Alar scare with apples.....yeah it can kill you if you eat about 10 bushels of unwashed apples a day for the next 8 years.
 
Nalgene is a company name .What they used to make was polycarbonate bottles. The hysteria was caused by "research" done by a student.That research never went through the proper scientific peer review. So the company stopped making polycarbonate and found a substitute .I'm sure some whacko will find something wrong with that too !

and those ploycarbonatye bottles were sold to LABS and other areas for holding LAB liquids and other materials, or for field testing of water samples etc etc etc. They have ALWAYS had HDPE bottles for their outdoor line (at least here in canada). Then the bloody <insert enviro nazi rant here> at Mountain Equipment Coop here in vancouver got all bleat bleat "the sky is falling the sky is falling" your all going to get cancer from your bottle" and they made a media announcement about pulling the bottles. The irony is they pulled all the HDPE bottles , the ones that are for FOOD GRADE substances. Nalgene fought back and good on em for doing so.

rablll rabblle rabble!!!!! :mad:
 
the whole Nalgene hysteria was brought about by a bunch of lefty liberal enviro nazi wackjobs, who heard from somewhere that plastics are bad for you. There was no real insight or research, just blatant left wing nutjob hysteria and propoganda byt he granola munching enviro nazis.

First the above is a pretty ridculuous and immature statement and doesn't really belong in this forum nor does it contribute to the topic...

There is sound science regarding the effects of exposures to BP and as others have indicated, the primary concern is related to endocrine disruption not cancer. The evidence linking BP exposure to cancer is marginal and poorly founded. The evidence linking BP exposures to endocrine disruption is better founded however there is considerable contraversy regarding effective dose in humans. At high doses, everyone agrees that BP can cause reproductive and immunological problems. The reproductive problems are more likely experienced by fetus of exposed pregnant mothers and by young children then by adults. Adult females that aren't pregnant are less sensitive and adult males seems to be much less sensitive to BP.

However, part of the problem is there is still a lack of good information to quantify the actual dose, daily intake rate etc. of the typical person. The second problem is the risk extrapolation from lab studies to real world exposures. For this particular chemical, which undergoes rapid phase I and II metabolism, working out the toxicokinetics in humans using animal models is particularly difficult. Then there is the issue of trying to work out fetal exposures via maternal exposure.

There is still a rather boisterous and exciting argument about whether or not BP in commercial products constitutes a true threat to humans. There are a number of scientists for and against this issue and the fact of the matter is that it will take a few more years and more research $$ to get a truer picture and to begin building a conscensus. We aren't there yet. This is of course how science operates and the dissenting views are often taken by the public as a license to believe what they want to believe.

My opinion, as a wildlife toxicologist, is that if you are an adult male then the risk related to BP exposures, particularly from lexan type water bottles is very low. BP tends to have a relatively low water solubility, so what gets leached into the water is going to be pretty low. Also, your likely exposure to BP via canned food, e.g. beans, tomatoes, soda pop, prepared soups etc., where BP forms part of the plastic matrix lining the tins has been shown to be quite higher. For example, soups and the juice from beans has detergent like properties and can much more readily solubilize and leach out BP from the plastic liner than pure water can. If you throw out your nalgene water bottle and continue to eat canned foods then you probably will have not at all changed your overall exposure to BP.

As somebody else said, thinking about additives and foods and even the relative helath (saturated fats etc) of your diet is more likely to have direct benefits to your health than becoming a chemical-phobe. Then again, part of what the science of risk assessment attempts to do is weed out harmful compounds and reduce human and environmental releases of harmful chemicals. Most of us agree that we haven't done the best job of this, but we are progressing from past decades.

Sometimes this will mean demanding alterations of industrial practices that affect consumer product availability and price. Overall I think this is a good thing even if there may be a few mistakes made along the way in the name of 'err on the side of caution'. Lets not forget that unchecked capitolism has often leds to complete environmental disasters - think Love Canal, Minimata disease and a host of other horror stories from the 50's and 60's.

The very fact that Nalgene responded to BP contraversy well before it was mandated to do so is I think a story of how a company is responding to its own market demands. I usually like to say this is actually captolism at work. Market, including suppliers and retailers (e.g. MEC) demanded that nalgene switch its practice. Nalgene responded to this demand by changing its products. Nalgene may have suffered some financial losses because of this, but it also won over many new customers because it did respond to its customer base and will be viewed as a green company because of this.
 
First the above is a pretty ridculuous and immature statement and doesn't really belong in this forum nor does it contribute to the topic...

I agree that the statement quoted by kgd is more of a political rant than a legitimate contribution to a serious topic. One thing I enjoy about WSS is that it is relatively free of political rants. The common link here is our enjoyment of the outdoors and associated survival skills, not our political philosophy or affiliation.
 
the whole Nalgene hysteria was brought about by a bunch of lefty liberal enviro nazi wackjobs, who heard from somewhere that plastics are bad for you. There was no real insight or research, just blatant left wing nutjob hysteria and propoganda byt he granola munching enviro nazis.

Bushman, this is a bit much and this is NOT the political forum. Keep the political discussion where it belongs, please - which is NOT in W&SS.
 
No doubt.

I don't need a scientific test to tell me that hydrogenated oils, preservatives and artificial flavors will kill you long before you get sick from drinking water out of a Nalgene.

It's just like the Alar scare with apples.....yeah it can kill you if you eat about 10 bushels of unwashed apples a day for the next 8 years.
There is no evidence that BPA will make YOU sick. Birth defects. Next generation. Your kids.

This is not like the Alar scare, except in the sense that The Sky is Falling crowd is pushing the position. (Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.) But some do not need science to reach their conclusions.

I just respectfully suggest that a seeming risk that is easily avoided should be avoided.
 
I have gotten the impression from some of the internet sites that it is only the red/blue/yellow series of Nalgene bottles that are made with bisphenol A. Can anyone else confirm or refute that impression? If it is correct, all of my Nalgene bottles were made before the bisphenol A scare and are probably safe. (Yeah, I've got a lot of old gear. :D)
 
I have gotten the impression from some of the internet sites that it is only the red/blue/yellow series of Nalgene bottles that are made with bisphenol A. Can anyone else confirm or refute that impression? If it is correct, all of my Nalgene bottles were made before the bisphenol A scare and are probably safe. (Yeah, I've got a lot of old gear. :D)

The "milk jug" Nalgene is not at issue. It's the hard, colorful polycarb (Type 7) that's questioned. Most of it on the market now is not Nalgene or Lexan branded; it's from China, often with no plastic type code.

Good point about plastic canned food linings, kgd.
 
Anyone that doesn't want those nasty BPA producing Nalgene bottles just send them to me for proper disposal....I'll even pay the postage. Once I wash them out with acid I should be able to use them. :D
 
Second, Wikipedia can be a enlightening source, but it's information can be somewhat dubious in-and-of itself due to where it comes from and how it is confirmed. I don't take it, alone, as a totally reliable source. I usually read it first, and then try to find the same information additionally from another neutral source. Anyone can put anything on the web. (Evidenced here by this post, I'm sure!! :D )

So, I think if you were trying to have a child, have a pregnant wife, or have small children who are still developing - you would not want even the slightest risk of it effecting them. At least I wouldn't. Am I concerned with drinking from one of the bottles myself? No, I've had all the children I'm going to have and my wife and I cannot get pregnant again. I don't fall into one of those categories, except...

We have very small children. I removed those plastics from my home for them (packed them away). To me it was a small price to pay just to be on the safe side. I'm the parent, it is my responsibility; my decision. It is nothing against Nalgene at all - I'll continue to buy their non-BPA items. Once my kids are gone, I'll probably get the old BPA suspect bottles back out.

Good points about Wikipedia and questioning it's sources. Could be good info, could might not be.

My wife and I bought all three of our young kids Nalgene sippy bottles -- love 'em! I have numerous Nalgenes around that I've been using for years, and love them.

If I jumped wildly at every suggested source of possible health/safety issue for my family or me, there would be very little we could use or have.

And to all the soy/vegetarian haters -- we're not all enviro whackjobs. Some of us actually use the outdoors and love them, as well as want to preserve them.

I don't take these comments too personally, but it would be good to not tar everyone who doesn't chase down cows in the field with a knife in their teeth, then gnaw on their twitching carcasses with the same brush as the whackos. Thanks!

(Yes, I do think all meat eaters chase cows down and eat them raw.)
 
I agree about wikipedia....but what wikipedia does well is gather known facts and put them in one place...and in a concise way.

You'll notice that the part I quoted is fairly neutral.

Regardless of the conjecture being thrown around here on both sides....2 facts remain.

1 - no FDA study/recommendation has been made to declare the products hazardous
2 - Nalgene acted voluntarily, not because or a court order, etc...


Draw whatever conclusions you may.








on a semi-related note...



One thing I find interesting....is how many times I have ordered/purchased products that are "deemed harmful and potentially carcinogenic by the State of California are cannot be sold/purchased/resold there".

Keep that in your pocket for later. ;)


Dan
 
I dont get this. There are cancer alerts every week. One day it is apples sprayed with is, the next week it is chips bolied in fat type Y and so it goes on.

What really freaks me out though is people like those who say they stopped using things like the Nalgene bottle because it can cause cancer while in the next second light a cigarette. Or those who are afraid of mobile phones but they use cordless phones everywhere in their house.

If you use your Nalgene bottle once or twice a month, so what. The additives and plastic sugar in the drink you keep in it is probably more "dangerous".
 
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