Are Our Knives Security Blankets?

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Sometimes when there is a thread about carrying knives on airplanes or into federal buildings, several people may post complaining that they cannot carry their AFCK, SERE, Military etc. into a place like those mentioned above. Although I can sympathize, there is a part of me that says most of us have a sizable (10+) selection of knives to chose from, must we always carry 3.5 or 4" tactical? There are times when a smaller knife is just more appropriate. Afterall, why buy a William Henry, Umfaan, or Spyderco Mouse, if we are just gonna lug a 710 Axis lock all the time? When you think about it, carrying a big folder into an office as your main or only blade makes about as much sense as trying to skin a deer with an Applegate-Fairbarn military knife. Sometimes carrying a small, useful knife can do more to educate people than insisting on a big tactical because it is your legal right.
 
I think you make a very good point Anthony.

Not being interested in tactical knives, but being fond of beauty, quality, and utility, my new daily carry knife, which replaces a small Spyderco Centofante, is a very slim and trim pearl handled front-lock folder made from 420V by PJ Tomes. It is a very slick little knife, handles all my daily chores (light duty), and rides deep in my pocket in a slip sheath. Although I suppose it could be deployed in an emergency, it is not clipped, nor does it have a very scary persona. Sheeple always seem to like it.

So, yes, it is a sort of security blanket for me. But it's probably not the best choice around for fighting bad guys. Occaisionally, folks have objected to my Small Centofante. I think it seems threatening to them because of its black G10 scales, sharp point, one-handed opening, and clip. That is sad because all of those features make it more a nice utility piece, as well as being 'tactical', albeit on the smaller end of that genre.

I have a BM710 that one of my brothers sent me a couple of years ago. Although I like playing with that knife, and I recognize its utility, I have Never carried it anywhere. It is just too big for practical carry, is too big for most of my knife tasks, and scares the heck out of people when it is deployed.

So I agree with Anthony. At least for my needs, a 3.5 to 4 inch clipped one-handed tactical knife is Overkill.

Paracelsus
 
Yes...I have the bad habit of carrying usually in excess of 8 knives at any given time, but I rationalize that I have uses for each and everyone, so there! I don't carry the big nasty ones as most of mine are more gentelman carry, except the LCC.
The new BM940 Osborne I just got yesterday, now that may be THE knife, it sure is very close to it! Time will tell, but right now what a sweet knife and should be sheeple friendly as well....

I had the opportunity to visit with Narruc1 at the Chesapeake Knife show and he showed me his Sifu...MAN OH MAN now THAT is a knife!!! what a honker that is, and yet it felt great in the hand! but wow I can just see pulling that out at work
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still envious of Para's PJ Tomes pearl handled folder....
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[This message has been edited by Gary W. Graley (edited 12-11-2000).]
 
I think you're right. I carried a small Microtech mini-SOCOM with a purple handle in an office for the sheeple. In the back of my mind I always thought, what if i needed something bigger? I usually had a Tanto for a 'back-up.' Since I do not consider knives very good for fighting, I often wonder why I do things like that. I think you put your finger on it--we don't carry bigger knives to actually fend off the surprises of wilderness living, we use it to quiet the misgivings in our own minds.--OKG
 
I don't insist on having a tactical knife on me when I go out, but I do insist on having something with an edge and a couple screwdriver blades. This is my minimal survival gear. I also carry a Bic lighter.

When my 10-year-old went off to Bible camp I insisted that, despite the regulations, he had a little Trim Trio keychain knife and a small Bic lighter on him.

When I was 10, a friend and I slid down a sandy bank into an excavation in the desert. This nice square hole had verticle 10 foot sides of soft sandstone everywhere but the sand slide we came in on. There were no sticks or rocks in the hole. We couldn't go back up the slide and we couldn't climb the verticle walls. We were baking in the summer heat. No one knew where we were or expected us real soon.

The only way we were getting out was using our wits and what was in our pockets. I had a pocket knife with a 2 inch blade. Using that we cut toe and hand holds in the sandstone and climbed out. Instead of being an item in the local news we got back to town without being missed. Knives are mandatory, big knives are mostly for fun.
 
My security blanket is the loving woman that I have next to me. My knives are tools. I carry a blade or blades as regularly as I wear pants, but seldom is the blade > 4". I choose my carry pieces as carefully as I can for the mission / tasks expected, but carry the most that I can within those guidelines in case of the unexpected. Remember Murphy's Laws, they still apply.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jeff Clark:
When my 10-year-old went off to Bible camp I insisted that, despite the regulations, he had a little Trim Trio keychain knife and a small Bic lighter on him.</font>

Got one! I have a Trim Trio on my key ring that I've carried for at least thirty years. Hardly ever used the knife, but the nail cleaner gets used, and that screwdriver/bottle opener has popped a lot of tops, including many paint cans, and a few stuck desk drawers.

(I gave up smoking a few years ago, and didn't know why I was fidgeting until I recently started carrying a small Bic, just in case. I had to sear off the ends of some paracord one day, and couldn't even find a book of matches.)

I know some environments are so negative on knives that a big blade is a problem, but I always tried to "educate" my people ... being the boss made it easier.

It's partly the old story that a big knife can do what a small knife can't, although I don't mean to take a machete to the office. But having a few inches of blade should not be grounds for bystanders fainting. We have to be responsible, yes, but I won't let a whiner restrict me from getting the job done.

Is it a "security blanket"? Well, it IS security, not necessarily for fighting, but as a critical tool. And I do like a good-looking piece of ... equipment.

 
Don't you guys carry more than one knife?!? I never scare people with my 710 - that's not because I don't carry it, it's because they only see the 940.

Get with the program guys. Carry a knife, and carry a back-up, and carry a back-up for the back-up. Then, for good measure, carry another knife and a multi-tool.

Sheesh! You'd think we weren't knife knuts or something...

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I consider myself lucky to be around collegues who are not afraid of what i carry. But then again, i have the courtesy not to flash out my LCC whenever i want to cut someting in the public or federal buildings......Minute chores like a thread sticking out of my shirt. I have a Leatherman wave with me to do those utilitarian work instead. The multi-tool seems to give sheeples the comforting thought that it is not as dangerious due to it's pliers "head". Another factor is sheeples are more exposed to a Leatherman Wave compared to the LCC.

At the end of the day, YES! It does give a comforting thought that the knife i choose to carry acts as a security blanket to a certain extend though i'll be killed by a gun-carrying muggler anyway....

Eric.

[This message has been edited by keninshiro (edited 12-11-2000).]
 
I think you make a good point, but one small thing i would challange.

If we do carry knives as security blankets, to what extent does it matter? I carry a SAK, my WAVE and a mid size folder, but almost never my SIFU. I don't carry the sifu because i can't conceive of any situation where i would need it. If i'm getting mugged by someone with a firearm, they get my wallet. Full stop. And anything less than that, in some ways i'd rather have empty hands.

Another thing i have to considder is the laws. We have the "disparity of force" law here, and as a large, trained male, I would have extreme difficulty explaining away my sifu weilding antics. Or explaining it to the police (Self defense does not constitute a reason to carry a knife). I therefore do not carry my SIFU. However, the small to medium folder i habitually carry is fairly useless. There is nothing it can really do that my Leatherman can't. So yeah, i guess it is a safety blanket. But it's not a harmful one. So i think it's ok.

I can see how some people rely on their knives, i know someone who carries a 710 for self defense. He's never had any training, and cannot draw the knife in less than about 4-5 seconds. At that point, the blanket starts blocking vision rather than making us feel warm.

James

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I think it makes perfectly good sense to carry more than one knife. Even if I'm not going large, I'll at least have my Ladybug, Micra, and Midnight Mini-Champ for really light duty, especially in mixed (sheeple)company. Also, I didn't say there was anything wrong with carrying a security blanket (provided it is legal), we should just admit that is what we are doing.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by anthony cheeseboro:
When you think about it, carrying a big folder into an office as your main or only blade makes about as much sense as trying to skin a deer with an Applegate-Fairbarn military knife. Sometimes carrying a small, useful knife can do more to educate people than insisting on a big tactical because it is your legal right.</font>

Did you ever have a favorite....anything? You know, the movie you watch over and over, the song you listen to even after it's not popular, anymore? Did you care if the rest of the world liked it?
My favorite folder is the AFCK, and I have one on me ALWAYS (assuming I'm clothed), because it's my favorite. I'm not flaunting my legal right to carry the thing. I just love it. It fits me. I like the way it feels, looks, performs, etc, ad nauseum. It's always appropiate, to my way of thinking. Could I get by with a smaller knife? Sure, but why not carry what I'm happy with?

On the subject of educating the sheep (which sometimes seems a lost cause):
I completely disagree with the notion of educating people with tiny little, undersized, less than optimal for the task, knives. I would much rather the sheeple see a need and use for a full-size knife. Show them what it's good for, and why. I show them smaller ones, too, and explain the compromises that come with both. Anyone can appreciate having the proper tool for the job. And that's how they need to see it-as a tool.
Using little sheeple-friendly toothpicks is just enforcing the notion that larger knives aren't necessary (keeping in mind that in liberalese "unnecessary" and "needs to be banned" seem to be synonomous whenever a knife or gun is the subject).
BTW, I also carry smaller knives, like a blue 940, stainless Dragonfly, and others, but carry them because I like them, not so I can fit into someone's PC group.
And check this out. Three of my coworkers have purchased knives in the past few weeks. All are non-knife people, and all three bought Benchmades (no AFCKs, though
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). A fourth wants something small, and has been looking at my Dragonfly. All of these are people who see my knives, and frequently ask me to cut something for them-and it's the AFCK that comes out first, though they've also seen and handled the 940 and Dragonfly. My friend who teaches our Sunday school class wants me to help him pick out a folder, and I may buy him one for a Christmas present-'course he's an outdoorsman, and a much different story. I've also told all of them about Bladeforums, and the information available here.
What's really amazing to me, is how proud they seem of their purchases, especially considering that they were, at best, apathetic toward knives before. The same people who used to say "what do you need that knife for?" are now saying "hey, look what I got!".

Just like everything else, it's not so much what you do, but how you do it. The right words, and the right attitude go alot further than having a blade that's an inch or two shorter, IMO.

btw, anthony, in this post, and others in the past, you question people's motives for what they carry, and say that they should just "admit that is what they are doing" as if you know each individuals needs better than they do. Wake up. Your opinion is just that-YOUR opinion, and everybody else has one, too.

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If I'm someplace where I can't carry one of my Glock Pistols, I'll have my Cold Steel Gunsite Folder, with the 5 inch RAZOR-SHARP blade in my front pocket.

I also ALWAYS carry my Cold Steel Medium plain-edge Clip-Point Folder as my "working knife", and a Leatherman Micra because of the excellent scissors it has.
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Anthony,
So? whats the point of the post? Do I think that a tactical knife is a security blanket? YES! If all you do all day is cut string. Do I carry more than one knife YES! Do I carry a gun also? YES!, a 45cal Colt, Officers model, conceiled, when it's appropriate, and I'm from NYS., and 100% legal.Am I paranoid.NO! my enviroment in the city has made me this way.Am I a nut case NO! I would'nt have a conceiled carry permit in NYS.if I was.I refuse to be used by the criminal morons that pray on "normal" people, I just wish they'd pick on me once in a while, instead of the elderly!
Ironhorse
 
Owen, your are right, Anthony's opinion is Anthony's opinion, and he is free to express it. I have never seen a post by Anthony which could even remotely be considered a personal attack. On the other hand, your post in this thread comes perilously close, or even crosses that line several times. Please address the topic, not your emotional response to the topic or its author.

Paracelsus
 
Anthony,
I went back and reread your post, I think I over did it alittle, it been a bad day! Sorry about that. Ironhorse
 
Thank-you Ironhorse. I was just going to edit my post to include You along with Owen. You raised many issues that relate to Your response to Anthony's post, not issues that Anthony raised as points for discussion. I hope others who disagree with Anthony will express that disagreement without resorting to personal attacks, or attacking ideas that were not raised in the original post. Thanks again.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Paracelsus:
I think you make a very good point Anthony.

<snip>So I agree with Anthony. At least for my needs, a 3.5 to 4 inch clipped one-handed tactical knife is Overkill.

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Paracelsus,
I agree. For years I carried a no name slip lock folder that was no more than 3/16 thick (total). I eventually went to a little Kershaw DWO (which I think is a great knife with a horrid handle) About 10 years carrying 2 of them. When the second one failed last year (the rubber handle), I went to a CRKT Small Point guard. That got more "Bad looks" than I like, being a "Black knife"

Well, yesterday, my everyday knife changed again (for now anyway) - It's now a William Henry T10-w <g>

Charlie


 
If I didn't make myself clear, I say that I'm not against large knives and I'm not against knives or any other legal implement for self defense. I just wonder how many muggers we will have to confront in our offices? For instance, a person might carry a large knife for tactical purposes and still use a more office friendly knife for mundane tasks. I just don't see the point in whipping out an AFCK or SERE etc. in an office to open a box or cut a thread when a Dragonfly, Spyderco Mouse, or some other smaller knife could very capably handle the job without spooking anybody (and it could also keep that "life protecting tactical" freshly sharp should it ever be needed in an emergency.) Also, thanks for the kind words Parascelus.
 
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