Are people still having trouble with the Elmax on the 0560?

RevDevil said:
No doubt he's a good guy, but this discussion is about the steel, not the seller. ;)
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Actually, Dave is so awesome I think he may be made of Elmax. If I had Wolverine's claws, I wouldn't mind them being coated in Elmax. :D That Adamantium junk is too hard to come by, and it was only ever used on the Kershaw Tilt anyway. :p
 
Again thanks for the input guys, it definitely seems like the majority of people don't have any issues with the elmax, or the issues are resolved after some resharpening. I dropped Kershaw Guy an email so hopefully he gets back to me soon. I am just going to buy an 0560 one way or the other because I really want to use this knife myself and see how it is. I'm not expecting "super steel" or anything like that, I just want a knife that I don't have to worry about dulling on me too easily. Also this is probably the closest I'll get to owning a XM-18 in the near future.

I'll keep you all updated on how it goes.
 
Not even gonna read the other posts, I have two 056x knives in Elmax and it is amazing steel. There are no problems just a few idiots trying to talk like they know more than they do.
 
Moxy said:
Has anyone ever used a ZT Ti framelock so much that the lockup traveled all the way to %100 and the knife was therein rendered useless? I think all the is lock up travel/percentage is nonsense.

I've noticed Elmax wasn't on the same level as s30v or s35vn. Supposedly it can run circules around those when properly heat treaded. Whether ZT runs it softer than it should be, or burnt sharpening tweaks the HT on the edges, or it was just a dud, I don't know.
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Mine has traveled pretty far over. I'd say it's at about 80% but my nearly new CRKT Eros is at 100% and it's far from useless. I still wish it was steel, on at least had a steel insert. I mean the ZT. I don't know how you could implement an insert on the Eros. Probably impossible. And there is certainly a difference in blade thickness between the two. I had an older Emerson that was at about 80% and had some work done on it to give the lock more life. Re-carbidizing would help I think, if it wears further but as it advances across the face of the tang the angle gets steeper so I doubt it will wear out very quickly. It could stay at 80% for the next 20 years.
 
Moxy said:
Has anyone ever used a ZT Ti framelock so much that the lockup traveled all the way to %100 and the knife was therein rendered useless? I think all the is lock up travel/percentage is nonsense.

I've noticed Elmax wasn't on the same level as s30v or s35vn. Supposedly it can run circules around those when properly heat treaded. Whether ZT runs it softer than it should be, or burnt sharpening tweaks the HT on the edges, or it was just a dud, I don't know.
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I was always excited to get a knife with near 80-100% lockup until I started browsing these forums to see people's "dismay" about it. I'm not sure how late lock up would affect the knife where it develops blade play, if anything there's more surface area for the blade tang and lock face to mate making it stronger. I don't get the preference people have when they say they prefer a 60% lockup, it seems that only matters if you buy into the lockup percent disinformation if you could call it that.
 
I have had no problem with the Elmax on my 560. It is good, great even. I haven't noticed a remarkable difference between it and my 550 in S35V, but neither of them are exactly put through the ringer on a regular basis. That pretty much falls to my 301 or 350 instead of my Hinderers.
 
Again, I believe this to be a non-issue, but I've made mention of this to the production line, and they are aware to keep a close watch going forward.
 
I have a blem 0560 and a production 0561. I've had the 560 for about 6 months and carry it nearly every day - unless I get the urge for a change and switch to the 550/301/350/200. The 560 definitely gets the lion's share though.

It has been great. Holds an edge very well and takes and edge surprisingly well on the sharpmaker. With as long as it keeps the edge, I was expecting it to take quite a while to get the sharpness back... but it was a breeze.

The retail price is high, but the blems from kershawguy are a tremendous value - especially on the 300 and 560 series blades.

I'm hoping kershaw guy gets blems of some of the other high end knives that are coming out!
 
Kai Corp. said:
Again, I believe this to be a non-issue, but I've made mention of this to the production line, and they are aware to keep a close watch going forward.
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Good to see a company that takes care of the slightest issues. You guys are really on top of the game!
 
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I ordered a 0561 from kershawguy two weeks ago and received it last Friday. Used it throughout the weekend and here at work this whole week and I have no complaints. I work demolition so I cut everything from cardboard to stranded copper and I don't have any chips on my edge. Had some lock stick but some graphite and use has reduced it substantially.

Remember, you have an amazing warranty service with KAI so there isn't anything you need to worry about. If something is wrong they'll take care of it. Rest assured man, you won't regret getting a 560.
 
Sikmike said:
I was always excited to get a knife with near 80-100% lockup until I started browsing these forums to see people's "dismay" about it. I'm not sure how late lock up would affect the knife where it develops blade play, if anything there's more surface area for the blade tang and lock face to mate making it stronger. I don't get the preference people have when they say they prefer a 60% lockup, it seems that only matters if you buy into the lockup percent disinformation if you could call it that.
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The thing is though, that there isn't a larger surface contact area if it comes that way new.
Seriously, check it out with a flashlight, and you'll see that it's actually a very small contact area between lock-bar and tang.

Now if it wears over that far with use, you can end up with a larger contact area, which I like. :)

And yes, I have had frame-locks go from 50% engagement to 95% over time...it happens.
I don't want 10% engagement when new, but I also don't want to start at 80%.

And my brother has a frame-lock that went to touching the other (non-locking) side, and it now has vertical play.
 
stabman said:
The thing is though, that there isn't a larger surface contact area if it comes that way new.
Seriously, check it out with a flashlight, and you'll see that it's actually a very small contact area between lock-bar and tang.

Now if it wears over that far with use, you can end up with a larger contact area, which I like. :)

And yes, I have had frame-locks go from 50% engagement to 95% over time...it happens.
I don't want 10% engagement when new, but I also don't want to start at 80%.

And my brother has a frame-lock that went to touching the other (non-locking) side, and it now has vertical play.
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ahh I understand you - thanks for your input, it's interesting stuff these locks.
 
I believe that a burnt edge would be from improper sharpening technique and not an inherent property of the steel.

I have many ZT and Kershaw knives, and not one of them has come with anything resembling a burnt edge.

Elmax is one of my favorite steels, I find it easy to get a very sharp edge on it using my diamond stones, and on the knives I have it holds the edge admirably.

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