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are spyderco paying the inventors of the locks on sage knives?

Discussion in 'Spyderco' started by sogflash, Mar 21, 2012.

  1. sogflash


    Aug 28, 2011
    it's just a thought that crossed my mind.

    I've been reading the product description on some of the sage knives, and I'm just wondering if those mentioned there are payed since the lock is used by spyderco. or are spyderco just recognizing good ideas for the lock, and not obligated to pay?

    I don't know anything about patents, nor the laws around them, so please excuse my possibly stupid question.
  2. marthinus

    marthinus KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 10, 2006
    If the Patent is still applicable Spyderco will go by the book and pay.

    If the Patenet is not applicable Spyderco do not even have to give credit, but yet they do. Thus the Sage line.

    Patents axpire after 14 years unless the original one is improved upon by the original maker and therefore is extended another 14 years with a new patent number.

    Note: different continenets outside USA do not have to give credit to the original patent holder unless international trade agreements have stipulated such agreement.
  3. popedandy

    popedandy Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 8, 2006
    Spyderco is probably the most ethical company on the planet. That should answer your question.
  4. Insipid Moniker

    Insipid Moniker Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 28, 2011
    IIRC, Michael Walker and Chris Reeve chose not to patent the liner and frame locks respectively. I'm not sure if Blackie Collins or Al Mar patented the bolt lock or front lock, but I strongly suspect both patents would have expired by now.
  5. jackthedog


    Dec 21, 2009
    I also think some of the profits of the Sage line goes to an Alzheimer's foundation in Denver. I might need to recheck my most recent catalog, but I believe I read that.
  6. yablanowitz


    Apr 14, 2006
    If I recall correctly, instead of paying a royalty to the lock inventor, a royalty-size donation is made to the Alzheimer's Foundation in the name of the lock designer. At least, so far, since the patents have expired on all the locks used to date.
  7. Mud Shrimp Moe

    Mud Shrimp Moe

    Nov 6, 2011
    Wow. This makes me want to buy a Sage 2 and Sage 3 even more. I already own a Sage 1 and love it. The Sage 4 is a lower priority.
  8. made2cut

    made2cut Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 4, 2001
    I have all four, great knives everyone of them. I'm looking forward to the 5th iteration... the mystery is killing me!
  9. berserk87


    Sep 16, 2009
    I recall hearing that the 5th Sage will have the Al Mar midlock. Deacon would remember if he's still around these parts.
  10. MountainBilly


    Nov 13, 2007
    That was the fourth one.

    add> Maybe I'm wrong. The catalog calls it a front lock - looked mid to me.
  11. made2cut

    made2cut Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 4, 2001
    Yes, the Sage 4 uses the Al Mar lock - "The blade and handle of the Sage 4 are joined by the front lock mechanism developed by McBurnette and his peers and popularized by Mar."
  12. 4 s ter

    4 s ter

    Apr 22, 2001
    From the Spyderco catalog:

    "Spyderco will donate approximately 5% of sales of the Sage to the National Alzheimer's Association Denver, Colorado Chapter."

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